Calling the States
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wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 07:19 last edited by
I’m cheating by being on the west coast
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wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 10:51 last edited by
Here's one thing I don't understand.
Why is it important to "claim victory"? Why is it important whether a party "concedes"?
The official results will come in sooner or later, and then it doesn't matter what anyone claimed or conceded, no?
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Here's one thing I don't understand.
Why is it important to "claim victory"? Why is it important whether a party "concedes"?
The official results will come in sooner or later, and then it doesn't matter what anyone claimed or conceded, no?
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Here's one thing I don't understand.
Why is it important to "claim victory"? Why is it important whether a party "concedes"?
The official results will come in sooner or later, and then it doesn't matter what anyone claimed or conceded, no?
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 11:02 last edited by@Klaus said in Calling the States:
The official results will come in sooner or later, and then it doesn't matter what anyone claimed or conceded, no?
Candidates can gum up the works by demanding a recount.
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wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 11:31 last edited by
I’ve been up since 5 am
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Here's one thing I don't understand.
Why is it important to "claim victory"? Why is it important whether a party "concedes"?
The official results will come in sooner or later, and then it doesn't matter what anyone claimed or conceded, no?
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 11:57 last edited by@Klaus said in Calling the States:
Here's one thing I don't understand.
Why is it important to "claim victory"? Why is it important whether a party "concedes"?
The prime example is Gore in 2000. After he called to concede to Bush, and later Florida returned to “too close to call”, at that point it made Gore look like a whining loser as opposed to if he had not conceded, the resulting county by county recount would’ve looked more objective. Ultimately Bush won because the courts told Gore’s team basically to stop cherry picking which (dem leaning) counties to recount.
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wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 12:02 last edited by
Have to admit, I woke up this morning and the race is closer than I expected! Still don’t see Trump winning though. Odds don’t look good to get to 270 and there’s going to be a trickle in of mail in votes that will favor Biden overall.
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wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 12:22 last edited by
Oh, it’s nice to see the senate/house is likely not a blue wave. That’s a nice surprise if it holds.
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wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 12:37 last edited by
It would be nice if somebody could tell Trump to either present evidence for all his vague insinuations of election fraud, or to STFU about it.
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Have to admit, I woke up this morning and the race is closer than I expected! Still don’t see Trump winning though. Odds don’t look good to get to 270 and there’s going to be a trickle in of mail in votes that will favor Biden overall.
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 12:49 last edited by Jolly 11 Apr 2020, 12:49@89th said in Calling the States:
Have to admit, I woke up this morning and the race is closer than I expected! Still don’t see Trump winning though. Odds don’t look good to get to 270 and there’s going to be a trickle in of mail in votes that will favor Biden overall.
Yep, your Biden landslide prediction stunk..
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wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 12:51 last edited by
Trump’s lead in Michigan won’t stand up to the early vote influx. It’s over.
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It would be nice if somebody could tell Trump to either present evidence for all his vague insinuations of election fraud, or to STFU about it.
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 12:53 last edited by@Klaus said in Calling the States:
It would be nice if somebody could tell Trump to either present evidence for all his vague insinuations of election fraud, or to STFU about it.
Philly has long been known as a hotbed of fraud. That's one problem.
Another is the manipulation of mail-in ballots. There are multiple problems with those, but Pennsylvania is horrible. Signatures don't have to match, envelopes cannot be matched with ballots after an initial count and they are counting ballots received up to three days past the election date.
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@Klaus said in Calling the States:
It would be nice if somebody could tell Trump to either present evidence for all his vague insinuations of election fraud, or to STFU about it.
Philly has long been known as a hotbed of fraud. That's one problem.
Another is the manipulation of mail-in ballots. There are multiple problems with those, but Pennsylvania is horrible. Signatures don't have to match, envelopes cannot be matched with ballots after an initial count and they are counting ballots received up to three days past the election date.
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 12:55 last edited by@Jolly said in Calling the States:
@Klaus said in Calling the States:
It would be nice if somebody could tell Trump to either present evidence for all his vague insinuations of election fraud, or to STFU about it.
Philly has long been known as a hotbed of fraud. That's one problem.
Another is the manipulation of mail-in ballots. There are multiple problems with those, but Pennsylvania is horrible. Signatures don't have to match, envelopes cannot be matched with ballots after an initial count and they are counting ballots received up to three days past the election date.
I don't know about that, but if that is the case, he should present the evidence, if there is any. Without presenting evidence, this is just deeply unfair and undemocratic.
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Trump’s lead in Michigan won’t stand up to the early vote influx. It’s over.
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 12:59 last edited by Loki 11 Apr 2020, 13:01@LuFins-Dad said in Calling the States:
Trump’s lead in Michigan won’t stand up to the early vote influx. It’s over.
We saw this all night in the states where Biden had a big lead early on only to have the in person votes be counted and Trump win. So it’s the opposite now in MI, WI and PA
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wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 13:06 last edited by
Arizona May still be in play, apparently a lot of the uncounted ballots are from areas that favor Trump.
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wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 13:27 last edited by
The democrats are trying to steal the election. Pure and simple.
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wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 13:38 last edited by
A tie would be fun for 2020.
If Trump wins GA, PA, and MI, it’ll be 269-269
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wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 13:40 last edited by
@89th said in Calling the States:
A tie would be fun for 2020.
If Trump wins GA, PA, and MI, it’ll be 269-269
And Trump would win the election in the House.
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@Jolly said in Calling the States:
@Klaus said in Calling the States:
It would be nice if somebody could tell Trump to either present evidence for all his vague insinuations of election fraud, or to STFU about it.
Philly has long been known as a hotbed of fraud. That's one problem.
Another is the manipulation of mail-in ballots. There are multiple problems with those, but Pennsylvania is horrible. Signatures don't have to match, envelopes cannot be matched with ballots after an initial count and they are counting ballots received up to three days past the election date.
I don't know about that, but if that is the case, he should present the evidence, if there is any. Without presenting evidence, this is just deeply unfair and undemocratic.
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 13:42 last edited by Doctor Phibes 11 Apr 2020, 13:42@Klaus said in Calling the States:
@Jolly said in Calling the States:
@Klaus said in Calling the States:
It would be nice if somebody could tell Trump to either present evidence for all his vague insinuations of election fraud, or to STFU about it.
Philly has long been known as a hotbed of fraud. That's one problem.
Another is the manipulation of mail-in ballots. There are multiple problems with those, but Pennsylvania is horrible. Signatures don't have to match, envelopes cannot be matched with ballots after an initial count and they are counting ballots received up to three days past the election date.
I don't know about that, but if that is the case, he should present the evidence, if there is any. Without presenting evidence, this is just deeply unfair and undemocratic.
It's incredible, isn't it. For a country that aspires, and often claims, to be the democracy that the rest of the world should aspire to be, the level of undemocratic behaviour and language used is ridiculous. It's more like the behaviour you'd expect from a banana republic.
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@Klaus said in Calling the States:
@Jolly said in Calling the States:
@Klaus said in Calling the States:
It would be nice if somebody could tell Trump to either present evidence for all his vague insinuations of election fraud, or to STFU about it.
Philly has long been known as a hotbed of fraud. That's one problem.
Another is the manipulation of mail-in ballots. There are multiple problems with those, but Pennsylvania is horrible. Signatures don't have to match, envelopes cannot be matched with ballots after an initial count and they are counting ballots received up to three days past the election date.
I don't know about that, but if that is the case, he should present the evidence, if there is any. Without presenting evidence, this is just deeply unfair and undemocratic.
It's incredible, isn't it. For a country that aspires, and often claims, to be the democracy that the rest of the world should aspire to be, the level of undemocratic behaviour and language used is ridiculous. It's more like the behaviour you'd expect from a banana republic.
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 13:45 last edited by Klaus 11 Apr 2020, 13:49@Doctor-Phibes Indeed. It's also insane how some of Trumps followers seem to believe every word that comes out of his mouth, regardless of how free of evidence it is - as we've just witnessed in this thread. The guy could say that the next winter is a summer and an amazing number of people would start wearing shorts in the snow.
Daniel Hannan said it well, in my opinion.