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Inventing History

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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 8 Oct 2020, 11:59 last edited by
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    Every answer last night contained some invented history.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • T taiwan_girl
      8 Oct 2020, 11:58

      That was weird. I had never heard that story before, so figured it was probably made up. Why she would think it was a good story to tell. Quite easy to check if true or not. 🤔

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      George K
      wrote on 8 Oct 2020, 12:02 last edited by
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      @taiwan_girl said in Inventing History:

      That was weird. I had never heard that story before, so figured it was probably made up. Why she would think it was a good story to tell. Quite easy to check if true or not. 🤔

      Candy Crowley would've called her out on it - nah, she's a Democrat.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Jolly
        wrote on 8 Oct 2020, 12:08 last edited by Jolly 10 Aug 2020, 12:08
        #5

        The moderators so far, have been biased.

        Pence was routinely admonished about going over his speaking time, but I saw last night where Harris spoke more than Pence.

        New math, I guess...

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          taiwan_girl
          wrote on 8 Oct 2020, 12:20 last edited by
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          People see bias because they themselves are biased.

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            Jolly
            wrote on 8 Oct 2020, 12:22 last edited by
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            The stopwatch don't lie.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              Doctor Phibes
              wrote on 8 Oct 2020, 12:23 last edited by
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              Pretty much everybody thinks their person won the debate, and pretty much everybody thinks their person was unfairly treated by somebody or other.

              Maybe the key to winning debates is to be unfairly treated.

              I was only joking

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              • D Doctor Phibes
                8 Oct 2020, 12:23

                Pretty much everybody thinks their person won the debate, and pretty much everybody thinks their person was unfairly treated by somebody or other.

                Maybe the key to winning debates is to be unfairly treated.

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                taiwan_girl
                wrote on 8 Oct 2020, 12:25 last edited by
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                @Doctor-Phibes said in Inventing History:

                Pretty much everybody thinks their person won the debate, and pretty much everybody thinks their person was unfairly treated by somebody or other.

                Maybe the key to winning debates is to be unfairly treated.

                Exactly.

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                  Copper
                  wrote on 8 Oct 2020, 17:09 last edited by
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                  I only watched a few minutes.

                  Ms Harris went over her time and when she was warned about it she said she was going to keep going, so the moderator shut up.

                  Mr Pence went over his time and the moderator must have said "thank you" at least a couple dozen times before he stopped.

                  In that short exchange that I watched, Mr Pence was clearly treated unfairly.

                  Having said that, to be fair, I realize that he is a racist white male so he deserves it.

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on 8 Oct 2020, 18:43 last edited by
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                    Again, the stopwatch don't lie.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      George K
                      wrote on 8 Oct 2020, 22:13 last edited by
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                      Speaking of lies...

                      https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

                      The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

                      Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Copper
                        wrote on 8 Oct 2020, 22:37 last edited by Copper 10 Aug 2020, 22:37
                        #13

                        They are still following Mr. Obama's lead on that, the USA is bad.

                        Actually that might predate Mr. Obama.

                        Maybe I should say Hanoi Jane's lead.

                        Or maybe Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.

                        Or maybe Benedict Arnold.

                        I guess they're all about the same.

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                        • J Jolly
                          8 Oct 2020, 18:43

                          Again, the stopwatch don't lie.

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                          taiwan_girl
                          wrote on 9 Oct 2020, 00:37 last edited by
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                          @Jolly said in Inventing History:

                          Again, the stopwatch don't lie.

                          Per this analysis, Senator Harris talked for 34:19 and VP Pence talked for 33:09 (I added up the individual topic talk points. I assume this is for the whole debate, but am not sure.)

                          VP Debate numbers

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 9 Oct 2020, 00:43 last edited by
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                            The stopwatch don't lie.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              9 Oct 2020, 00:43

                              The stopwatch don't lie.

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                              taiwan_girl
                              wrote on 9 Oct 2020, 01:03 last edited by
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                              @Jolly said in Inventing History:

                              The stopwatch don't lie.

                              I propose for the next debate:

                              Chess clock
                              Microphone muting

                              A question is asked, moderator gives candidate A a certain amount of time. When that time runs out, microphone is muted and clock started to the other person. If the other person does not use all there time, they have "banked" some for later.

                              Both candidates get equal time and cannot interrupt.

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on 9 Oct 2020, 01:07 last edited by
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                                I'll make it a lot more informative and entertaining...

                                Let's have Rush Limbaugh and Rachel Maddow do the next debate. Limbaugh questions Biden, Maddow does Trump.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • J Jolly
                                  9 Oct 2020, 01:07

                                  I'll make it a lot more informative and entertaining...

                                  Let's have Rush Limbaugh and Rachel Maddow do the next debate. Limbaugh questions Biden, Maddow does Trump.

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                                  taiwan_girl
                                  wrote on 9 Oct 2020, 01:08 last edited by
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                                  @Jolly said in Inventing History:

                                  I'll make it a lot more informative and entertaining...

                                  Let's have Rush Limbaugh and Rachel Maddow do the next debate. Limbaugh questions Biden, Maddow does Trump.

                                  Had to look up who they were, and after reading, sounds like a really good idea!! LOL

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                                  • J Jolly
                                    9 Oct 2020, 01:07

                                    I'll make it a lot more informative and entertaining...

                                    Let's have Rush Limbaugh and Rachel Maddow do the next debate. Limbaugh questions Biden, Maddow does Trump.

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on 9 Oct 2020, 01:41 last edited by
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                                    @Jolly said in Inventing History:

                                    I'll make it a lot more informative and entertaining...

                                    Let's have Rush Limbaugh and Rachel Maddow do the next debate. Limbaugh questions Biden, Maddow does Trump.

                                    Not enough popcorn in the world for that.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • G George K
                                      8 Oct 2020, 22:13

                                      Speaking of lies...

                                      https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

                                      The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

                                      Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

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                                      Axtremus
                                      wrote on 9 Oct 2020, 02:08 last edited by
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                                      @George-K said in Inventing History:

                                      Speaking of lies...

                                      https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

                                      The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

                                      Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

                                      Too lazy to go look it up. Was the claim made in the debate about the number of COVID-19 deaths as a fraction of the national population or number of COVID-19 deaths as a fraction of those infected (“case fatality rate”). The Federalist article speaks only to the latter, not the former.

                                      When people make a statement like “the US has 4% of the world’s population but 20% of the world’s COVID-19 deaths,” that’s not about “case fatality rate” that the Federalist article talks about.

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                                      • G George K
                                        8 Oct 2020, 22:13

                                        Speaking of lies...

                                        https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

                                        The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

                                        Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

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                                        LuFins Dad
                                        wrote on 9 Oct 2020, 14:53 last edited by
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                                        @George-K said in Inventing History:

                                        Speaking of lies...

                                        https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

                                        The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

                                        Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

                                        EU and UK account for 3,874,181 cases and 191,147 deaths. That's pretty close to US numbers especially when you factor in how poorly NY reacted in February, March, and early April.

                                        The Brad

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                                        • L LuFins Dad
                                          9 Oct 2020, 14:53

                                          @George-K said in Inventing History:

                                          Speaking of lies...

                                          https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

                                          The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

                                          Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

                                          EU and UK account for 3,874,181 cases and 191,147 deaths. That's pretty close to US numbers especially when you factor in how poorly NY reacted in February, March, and early April.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on 9 Oct 2020, 15:00 last edited by
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                                          @LuFins-Dad

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                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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