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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #7

    The stopwatch don't lie.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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      Doctor Phibes
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      #8

      Pretty much everybody thinks their person won the debate, and pretty much everybody thinks their person was unfairly treated by somebody or other.

      Maybe the key to winning debates is to be unfairly treated.

      I was only joking

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      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

        Pretty much everybody thinks their person won the debate, and pretty much everybody thinks their person was unfairly treated by somebody or other.

        Maybe the key to winning debates is to be unfairly treated.

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        taiwan_girl
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        #9

        @Doctor-Phibes said in Inventing History:

        Pretty much everybody thinks their person won the debate, and pretty much everybody thinks their person was unfairly treated by somebody or other.

        Maybe the key to winning debates is to be unfairly treated.

        Exactly.

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        • CopperC Online
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          Copper
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          #10

          I only watched a few minutes.

          Ms Harris went over her time and when she was warned about it she said she was going to keep going, so the moderator shut up.

          Mr Pence went over his time and the moderator must have said "thank you" at least a couple dozen times before he stopped.

          In that short exchange that I watched, Mr Pence was clearly treated unfairly.

          Having said that, to be fair, I realize that he is a racist white male so he deserves it.

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #11

            Again, the stopwatch don't lie.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
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              #12

              Speaking of lies...

              https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

              The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

              Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • CopperC Online
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                Copper
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                #13

                They are still following Mr. Obama's lead on that, the USA is bad.

                Actually that might predate Mr. Obama.

                Maybe I should say Hanoi Jane's lead.

                Or maybe Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.

                Or maybe Benedict Arnold.

                I guess they're all about the same.

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  Again, the stopwatch don't lie.

                  taiwan_girlT Offline
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                  taiwan_girl
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #14

                  @Jolly said in Inventing History:

                  Again, the stopwatch don't lie.

                  Per this analysis, Senator Harris talked for 34:19 and VP Pence talked for 33:09 (I added up the individual topic talk points. I assume this is for the whole debate, but am not sure.)

                  VP Debate numbers

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #15

                    The stopwatch don't lie.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      The stopwatch don't lie.

                      taiwan_girlT Offline
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                      taiwan_girl
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #16

                      @Jolly said in Inventing History:

                      The stopwatch don't lie.

                      I propose for the next debate:

                      Chess clock
                      Microphone muting

                      A question is asked, moderator gives candidate A a certain amount of time. When that time runs out, microphone is muted and clock started to the other person. If the other person does not use all there time, they have "banked" some for later.

                      Both candidates get equal time and cannot interrupt.

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                      • JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #17

                        I'll make it a lot more informative and entertaining...

                        Let's have Rush Limbaugh and Rachel Maddow do the next debate. Limbaugh questions Biden, Maddow does Trump.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                        taiwan_girlT George KG 2 Replies Last reply
                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          I'll make it a lot more informative and entertaining...

                          Let's have Rush Limbaugh and Rachel Maddow do the next debate. Limbaugh questions Biden, Maddow does Trump.

                          taiwan_girlT Offline
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                          taiwan_girl
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #18

                          @Jolly said in Inventing History:

                          I'll make it a lot more informative and entertaining...

                          Let's have Rush Limbaugh and Rachel Maddow do the next debate. Limbaugh questions Biden, Maddow does Trump.

                          Had to look up who they were, and after reading, sounds like a really good idea!! LOL

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            I'll make it a lot more informative and entertaining...

                            Let's have Rush Limbaugh and Rachel Maddow do the next debate. Limbaugh questions Biden, Maddow does Trump.

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                            George K
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                            #19

                            @Jolly said in Inventing History:

                            I'll make it a lot more informative and entertaining...

                            Let's have Rush Limbaugh and Rachel Maddow do the next debate. Limbaugh questions Biden, Maddow does Trump.

                            Not enough popcorn in the world for that.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • George KG George K

                              Speaking of lies...

                              https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

                              The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

                              Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

                              AxtremusA Away
                              AxtremusA Away
                              Axtremus
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                              #20

                              @George-K said in Inventing History:

                              Speaking of lies...

                              https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

                              The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

                              Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

                              Too lazy to go look it up. Was the claim made in the debate about the number of COVID-19 deaths as a fraction of the national population or number of COVID-19 deaths as a fraction of those infected (“case fatality rate”). The Federalist article speaks only to the latter, not the former.

                              When people make a statement like “the US has 4% of the world’s population but 20% of the world’s COVID-19 deaths,” that’s not about “case fatality rate” that the Federalist article talks about.

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                              • George KG George K

                                Speaking of lies...

                                https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

                                The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

                                Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

                                LuFins DadL Offline
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                                LuFins Dad
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #21

                                @George-K said in Inventing History:

                                Speaking of lies...

                                https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

                                The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

                                Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

                                EU and UK account for 3,874,181 cases and 191,147 deaths. That's pretty close to US numbers especially when you factor in how poorly NY reacted in February, March, and early April.

                                The Brad

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                                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                  @George-K said in Inventing History:

                                  Speaking of lies...

                                  https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

                                  The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

                                  Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

                                  EU and UK account for 3,874,181 cases and 191,147 deaths. That's pretty close to US numbers especially when you factor in how poorly NY reacted in February, March, and early April.

                                  George KG Offline
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                                  George K
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                                  #22

                                  @LuFins-Dad

                                  Screen Shot 2020-10-09 at 9.59.27 AM.png

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                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                    @Jolly said in Inventing History:

                                    The stopwatch don't lie.

                                    I propose for the next debate:

                                    Chess clock
                                    Microphone muting

                                    A question is asked, moderator gives candidate A a certain amount of time. When that time runs out, microphone is muted and clock started to the other person. If the other person does not use all there time, they have "banked" some for later.

                                    Both candidates get equal time and cannot interrupt.

                                    Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                    Doctor Phibes
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #23

                                    @taiwan_girl said in Inventing History:

                                    @Jolly said in Inventing History:

                                    The stopwatch don't lie.

                                    I propose for the next debate:

                                    Chess clock

                                    It would need to be a 4D chess clock.

                                    Obviously, the claim that they're playing 4D chess is bogus. It's drunk Fischer-random suicide chess.

                                    I was only joking

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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      @George-K said in Inventing History:

                                      Speaking of lies...

                                      https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

                                      The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

                                      Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

                                      EU and UK account for 3,874,181 cases and 191,147 deaths. That's pretty close to US numbers especially when you factor in how poorly NY reacted in February, March, and early April.

                                      Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                      Doctor Phibes
                                      wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                                      #24

                                      @LuFins-Dad said in Inventing History:

                                      @George-K said in Inventing History:

                                      Speaking of lies...

                                      https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

                                      The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

                                      Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

                                      EU and UK account for 3,874,181 cases and 191,147 deaths. That's pretty close to US numbers especially when you factor in how poorly NY reacted in February, March, and early April.

                                      You're making the same mistake they did, but in the opposite direction. The EU+UK population is higher than that of the US by over 100 million.

                                      I was only joking

                                      George KG 1 Reply Last reply
                                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                        @LuFins-Dad said in Inventing History:

                                        @George-K said in Inventing History:

                                        Speaking of lies...

                                        https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

                                        The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

                                        Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

                                        EU and UK account for 3,874,181 cases and 191,147 deaths. That's pretty close to US numbers especially when you factor in how poorly NY reacted in February, March, and early April.

                                        You're making the same mistake they did, but in the opposite direction. The EU+UK population is higher than that of the US by over 100 million.

                                        George KG Offline
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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #25

                                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Inventing History:

                                        You're making the same mistake they did, but in the opposite direction. The EU+UK population is higher than that of the US by over 100 million.

                                        Yes.

                                        So, let's look at cases per million. Of course, the US has time to surge.

                                        Screen Shot 2020-10-09 at 4.44.33 PM.png

                                        Or the CFR:

                                        Screen Shot 2020-10-09 at 4.45.22 PM.png

                                        Look like Great Britain or the EU were never places you wanted to be if you wanted to live.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • CopperC Online
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                                          Copper
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                                          #26

                                          I assume the definitions of a "covid death" vary

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