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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #12

    Speaking of lies...

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

    The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

    Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • CopperC Offline
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      Copper
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      #13

      They are still following Mr. Obama's lead on that, the USA is bad.

      Actually that might predate Mr. Obama.

      Maybe I should say Hanoi Jane's lead.

      Or maybe Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.

      Or maybe Benedict Arnold.

      I guess they're all about the same.

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        Again, the stopwatch don't lie.

        taiwan_girlT Offline
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        #14

        @Jolly said in Inventing History:

        Again, the stopwatch don't lie.

        Per this analysis, Senator Harris talked for 34:19 and VP Pence talked for 33:09 (I added up the individual topic talk points. I assume this is for the whole debate, but am not sure.)

        VP Debate numbers

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by
          #15

          The stopwatch don't lie.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            The stopwatch don't lie.

            taiwan_girlT Offline
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            taiwan_girl
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            #16

            @Jolly said in Inventing History:

            The stopwatch don't lie.

            I propose for the next debate:

            Chess clock
            Microphone muting

            A question is asked, moderator gives candidate A a certain amount of time. When that time runs out, microphone is muted and clock started to the other person. If the other person does not use all there time, they have "banked" some for later.

            Both candidates get equal time and cannot interrupt.

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by
              #17

              I'll make it a lot more informative and entertaining...

              Let's have Rush Limbaugh and Rachel Maddow do the next debate. Limbaugh questions Biden, Maddow does Trump.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                I'll make it a lot more informative and entertaining...

                Let's have Rush Limbaugh and Rachel Maddow do the next debate. Limbaugh questions Biden, Maddow does Trump.

                taiwan_girlT Offline
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                taiwan_girl
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                #18

                @Jolly said in Inventing History:

                I'll make it a lot more informative and entertaining...

                Let's have Rush Limbaugh and Rachel Maddow do the next debate. Limbaugh questions Biden, Maddow does Trump.

                Had to look up who they were, and after reading, sounds like a really good idea!! LOL

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  I'll make it a lot more informative and entertaining...

                  Let's have Rush Limbaugh and Rachel Maddow do the next debate. Limbaugh questions Biden, Maddow does Trump.

                  George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #19

                  @Jolly said in Inventing History:

                  I'll make it a lot more informative and entertaining...

                  Let's have Rush Limbaugh and Rachel Maddow do the next debate. Limbaugh questions Biden, Maddow does Trump.

                  Not enough popcorn in the world for that.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    Speaking of lies...

                    https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

                    The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

                    Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

                    AxtremusA Away
                    AxtremusA Away
                    Axtremus
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #20

                    @George-K said in Inventing History:

                    Speaking of lies...

                    https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

                    The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

                    Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

                    Too lazy to go look it up. Was the claim made in the debate about the number of COVID-19 deaths as a fraction of the national population or number of COVID-19 deaths as a fraction of those infected (“case fatality rate”). The Federalist article speaks only to the latter, not the former.

                    When people make a statement like “the US has 4% of the world’s population but 20% of the world’s COVID-19 deaths,” that’s not about “case fatality rate” that the Federalist article talks about.

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                    • George KG George K

                      Speaking of lies...

                      https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

                      The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

                      Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

                      LuFins DadL Offline
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                      LuFins Dad
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                      #21

                      @George-K said in Inventing History:

                      Speaking of lies...

                      https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

                      The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

                      Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

                      EU and UK account for 3,874,181 cases and 191,147 deaths. That's pretty close to US numbers especially when you factor in how poorly NY reacted in February, March, and early April.

                      The Brad

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                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                        @George-K said in Inventing History:

                        Speaking of lies...

                        https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

                        The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

                        Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

                        EU and UK account for 3,874,181 cases and 191,147 deaths. That's pretty close to US numbers especially when you factor in how poorly NY reacted in February, March, and early April.

                        George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #22

                        @LuFins-Dad

                        Screen Shot 2020-10-09 at 9.59.27 AM.png

                        Screen Shot 2020-10-09 at 10.00.17 AM.png

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                          @Jolly said in Inventing History:

                          The stopwatch don't lie.

                          I propose for the next debate:

                          Chess clock
                          Microphone muting

                          A question is asked, moderator gives candidate A a certain amount of time. When that time runs out, microphone is muted and clock started to the other person. If the other person does not use all there time, they have "banked" some for later.

                          Both candidates get equal time and cannot interrupt.

                          Doctor PhibesD Offline
                          Doctor PhibesD Offline
                          Doctor Phibes
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #23

                          @taiwan_girl said in Inventing History:

                          @Jolly said in Inventing History:

                          The stopwatch don't lie.

                          I propose for the next debate:

                          Chess clock

                          It would need to be a 4D chess clock.

                          Obviously, the claim that they're playing 4D chess is bogus. It's drunk Fischer-random suicide chess.

                          I was only joking

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            @George-K said in Inventing History:

                            Speaking of lies...

                            https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

                            The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

                            Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

                            EU and UK account for 3,874,181 cases and 191,147 deaths. That's pretty close to US numbers especially when you factor in how poorly NY reacted in February, March, and early April.

                            Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                            Doctor Phibes
                            wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                            #24

                            @LuFins-Dad said in Inventing History:

                            @George-K said in Inventing History:

                            Speaking of lies...

                            https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

                            The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

                            Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

                            EU and UK account for 3,874,181 cases and 191,147 deaths. That's pretty close to US numbers especially when you factor in how poorly NY reacted in February, March, and early April.

                            You're making the same mistake they did, but in the opposite direction. The EU+UK population is higher than that of the US by over 100 million.

                            I was only joking

                            George KG 1 Reply Last reply
                            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                              @LuFins-Dad said in Inventing History:

                              @George-K said in Inventing History:

                              Speaking of lies...

                              https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

                              The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

                              Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

                              EU and UK account for 3,874,181 cases and 191,147 deaths. That's pretty close to US numbers especially when you factor in how poorly NY reacted in February, March, and early April.

                              You're making the same mistake they did, but in the opposite direction. The EU+UK population is higher than that of the US by over 100 million.

                              George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #25

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Inventing History:

                              You're making the same mistake they did, but in the opposite direction. The EU+UK population is higher than that of the US by over 100 million.

                              Yes.

                              So, let's look at cases per million. Of course, the US has time to surge.

                              Screen Shot 2020-10-09 at 4.44.33 PM.png

                              Or the CFR:

                              Screen Shot 2020-10-09 at 4.45.22 PM.png

                              Look like Great Britain or the EU were never places you wanted to be if you wanted to live.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • CopperC Offline
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                                Copper
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #26

                                I assume the definitions of a "covid death" vary

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                                • George KG George K

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Inventing History:

                                  You're making the same mistake they did, but in the opposite direction. The EU+UK population is higher than that of the US by over 100 million.

                                  Yes.

                                  So, let's look at cases per million. Of course, the US has time to surge.

                                  Screen Shot 2020-10-09 at 4.44.33 PM.png

                                  Or the CFR:

                                  Screen Shot 2020-10-09 at 4.45.22 PM.png

                                  Look like Great Britain or the EU were never places you wanted to be if you wanted to live.

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                                  Doctor Phibes
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                                  #27

                                  @George-K said in Inventing History:

                                  Look like Great Britain or the EU were never places you wanted to be if you wanted to live.

                                  It depends which bit, much like the US. Germany seems to have it under control. Italy was an early disaster, like NYC. The UK made a real mess of nursing homes, and the British are doing a pretty crappy job of following instructions, not helped by government rules that don't seem to make sense, and with a number of high profile types flouting their own rules. I don't understand how closing the pubs an hour early will make anything better, and Boris' top advisor claiming he had to drive the length of the country, after testing positive, to see his parents is laughable. More laughable is the fact that the slimy twat kept his job

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                    @George-K said in Inventing History:

                                    Look like Great Britain or the EU were never places you wanted to be if you wanted to live.

                                    It depends which bit, much like the US. Germany seems to have it under control. Italy was an early disaster, like NYC. The UK made a real mess of nursing homes, and the British are doing a pretty crappy job of following instructions, not helped by government rules that don't seem to make sense, and with a number of high profile types flouting their own rules. I don't understand how closing the pubs an hour early will make anything better, and Boris' top advisor claiming he had to drive the length of the country, after testing positive, to see his parents is laughable. More laughable is the fact that the slimy twat kept his job

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                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Inventing History:

                                    I don't understand how closing the pubs an hour early will make anything better.

                                    The only thing that makes sense is fewer people means less exposure potential.

                                    I suppose you can do it by limiting the number of people or the number of hours.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      If you open the pubs, people are going to the pub. Closing them an hour earlier won't make fewer people go, and since you're dealing with the English, it will just mean they get shit-faced quicker.

                                      I was only joking

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                                        Maybe letting it run it's course is inevitable, however I personally don't feel the benefit of eating out or going to the pub are worth the associated risk.

                                        I was only joking

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                                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                          Maybe letting it run it's course is inevitable, however I personally don't feel the benefit of eating out or going to the pub are worth the associated risk.

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                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Inventing History:

                                          I personally don't feel the benefit of eating out or going to the pub are worth the associated risk.

                                          Yeah, but you're an old geezer.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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