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What's the White House's plan, anyway?

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  • JollyJ Jolly

    @George-K said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

    @jon-nyc I assume you're talking about opening up the economy.

    In another thread, Jolly commented that at least half a dozen governors are talking about easing restrictions.

    Whose responsibility is it? State governors or the federal government?

    The Feds can advise. The Governors have the power, just as they have the lockdown power.

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    jon-nyc
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    @Jolly said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

    The Feds can advise. The Governors have the power, just as they have the lockdown power.

    Only non-witches get due process.

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      WOuldn't you have thought the CDC would have some sort of plan in existence, or at least the outline of one? I mean, not the capacity to execute it necessarily, but wouldn't you think they've 'war gamed' this stuff at some point?

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      #13

      @jon-nyc Why would you think that? The CDC didn't seem to have a plan for much of anything else.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        #14

        Yes, Mr. Trump has been saying it is up to him

        He has his emergency

        The states have their emergencies

        They each want their own toy

        I'm just happy they are talking about it, that will lead to action eventually

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          Jon, the plan? My gut is it’ll be a “we are going to follow the advice of experts and wait” delay tactic until a few states naturally ease restrictions and once that becomes palatable, Trump will endorse it and claim credit.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            @Jolly said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

            The Feds can advise. The Governors have the power, just as they have the lockdown power.

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            @jon-nyc said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

            @Jolly said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

            The Feds can advise. The Governors have the power, just as they have the lockdown power.

            With all due respect to President Trump, I think I'll wait and see what the MA Governor and my company management have to say.

            I was only joking

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              @Jolly said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

              The Feds can advise. The Governors have the power, just as they have the lockdown power.

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              @jon-nyc said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

              @Jolly said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

              The Feds can advise. The Governors have the power, just as they have the lockdown power.

              Mr. Trump is wrong. He can advise, he cannot compel.

              Of course, he owns some mighty big sticks and carrots.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                That might have been his most boneheaded tweet yet. specially after putting a lot of responsibility on governors to get their own PPE. Very, very bad move and it will come back on him n November.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  He really is his own worst enemy. His opponents would be better off gently tweaking him like this, and letting him go off on a tear and making himself look insecure, than attacking full frontal, which is what he enjoys.

                  It's a bit like those family meals where you see if you can get certain relatives to go off an a rant by just dropping a couple of words into the conversation about national service, or The Empire or something.

                  I was only joking

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    He really is his own worst enemy. His opponents would be better off gently tweaking him like this, and letting him go off on a tear and making himself look insecure, than attacking full frontal, which is what he enjoys.

                    It's a bit like those family meals where you see if you can get certain relatives to go off an a rant by just dropping a couple of words into the conversation about national service, or The Empire or something.

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                    @Doctor-Phibes said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

                    He really is his own worst enemy.

                    Indeed. It takes a lot of effort to distinguish what he does from what he says. If he could just STFU....

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      Does anyone know?

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                      @jon-nyc said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

                      Does anyone know?

                      If you are really interested in what they might be planning the Whitehouse web site still works

                      https://www.whitehouse.gov/

                      For more specific Corona virus stuff they will direct you here

                      https://www.coronavirus.gov/

                      For more tncr fodder try

                      https://www.cnn.com/

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                        Isn't this typical Trump?

                        IT'S MY DECISION. Then the media goes crazy.

                        Then after awhile, he talks about how he is working with and listening to governors, agrees with them, they cringe and then compliment him, the media gets played while trying to understand federalism and the commerce clause, while trying to trap him.

                        Strong, decisive, yet open to collaboration along the way. See you in November.

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                        • MikM Mik

                          That might have been his most boneheaded tweet yet. specially after putting a lot of responsibility on governors to get their own PPE. Very, very bad move and it will come back on him n November.

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                          @Mik said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

                          That might have been his most boneheaded tweet yet. specially after putting a lot of responsibility on governors to get their own PPE. Very, very bad move and it will come back on him n November.

                          I think his view is that he has absolute power and absolutely no responsibility.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              @Mik said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

                              That might have been his most boneheaded tweet yet. specially after putting a lot of responsibility on governors to get their own PPE. Very, very bad move and it will come back on him n November.

                              I think his view is that he has absolute power and absolutely no responsibility.

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                              @jon-nyc
                              There you go again, Jon. Stating what he must be thinking as if fact.

                              Better IMO to state it as:
                              Trump was recorded in a conversation with Melania, where he stated, "I HAVE ABSOLUTE POWER AND ABSOLUTELY NO RESPONSIBILITY. NOW MAKE ME A SAMMICH."

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                                jon-nyc
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                                John Yoo of torture memo fame:

                                https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/no-trump-cant-force-states-to-reopen/

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                  Gee,let's drive it home, shall we?

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    xenon
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                                    #28

                                    The President clarified it in person today.

                                    Link to video

                                    He sums it up at the 4min mark if you want the quick hit

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                                      Xenon thanks.

                                      My favorite part, “Ok let me clarify what power the president has. The power of what the president can do is what the power of the president can do.”

                                      😂

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                                        I just don't see yet how we really do it safely. Lots of administrative healthcare infrastructure needed.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • MikM Mik

                                          I just don't see yet how we really do it safely. Lots of administrative healthcare infrastructure needed.

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                                          @Mik said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

                                          I just don't see yet how we really do it safely. Lots of administrative healthcare infrastructure needed.

                                          The plan for contact tracing looks promising if enough people opt in.

                                          https://www.theverge.com/interface/2020/4/14/21219289/apple-google-contact-tracing-app-android-ios-pros-cons-quarantine-testing

                                          Please love yourself.

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