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What's the White House's plan, anyway?

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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    WOuldn't you have thought the CDC would have some sort of plan in existence, or at least the outline of one? I mean, not the capacity to execute it necessarily, but wouldn't you think they've 'war gamed' this stuff at some point?

    Only non-witches get due process.

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      WOuldn't you have thought the CDC would have some sort of plan in existence, or at least the outline of one? I mean, not the capacity to execute it necessarily, but wouldn't you think they've 'war gamed' this stuff at some point?

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      @jon-nyc good point. This should not come as a surprise.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        WOuldn't you have thought the CDC would have some sort of plan in existence, or at least the outline of one? I mean, not the capacity to execute it necessarily, but wouldn't you think they've 'war gamed' this stuff at some point?

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        @jon-nyc said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

        WOuldn't you have thought the CDC would have some sort of plan in existence, or at least the outline of one? I mean, not the capacity to execute it necessarily, but wouldn't you think they've 'war gamed' this stuff at some point?

        Knowing the CDC, maybe not.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          To be fair, we could have did ask that question three weeks ago and let’s look at where we are today versus what people where saying. We should at least do a gap analysis so we can have more confidence against the new dire predictions of not knowing what the problem is, how to mitigate and what to do.

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            I don't quite understand your post.

            'Hammer and Dance' was out maybe 2 weeks ago? Hard to tell in Covid time.

            One presumes that was something like received wisdom in epidemiology circles, and wasn't invented on the fly.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              WOuldn't you have thought the CDC would have some sort of plan in existence, or at least the outline of one? I mean, not the capacity to execute it necessarily, but wouldn't you think they've 'war gamed' this stuff at some point?

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              The outlines of the plan are out there all over the place in pieces. I believe we will see something like an eight point plan, we’ve already started talking about elements in other threads. I suspect they won’t release until finalized which is smart.

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                I suspect China has tightened up security at their bioweapons lab and as soon as we get past this current mess, we may not have another major pandemic for several decades.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  @George-K said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

                  @jon-nyc I assume you're talking about opening up the economy.

                  In another thread, Jolly commented that at least half a dozen governors are talking about easing restrictions.

                  Whose responsibility is it? State governors or the federal government?

                  The Feds can advise. The Governors have the power, just as they have the lockdown power.

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                  @Jolly said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

                  The Feds can advise. The Governors have the power, just as they have the lockdown power.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    WOuldn't you have thought the CDC would have some sort of plan in existence, or at least the outline of one? I mean, not the capacity to execute it necessarily, but wouldn't you think they've 'war gamed' this stuff at some point?

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                    @jon-nyc Why would you think that? The CDC didn't seem to have a plan for much of anything else.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      Yes, Mr. Trump has been saying it is up to him

                      He has his emergency

                      The states have their emergencies

                      They each want their own toy

                      I'm just happy they are talking about it, that will lead to action eventually

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                        Jon, the plan? My gut is it’ll be a “we are going to follow the advice of experts and wait” delay tactic until a few states naturally ease restrictions and once that becomes palatable, Trump will endorse it and claim credit.

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          @Jolly said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

                          The Feds can advise. The Governors have the power, just as they have the lockdown power.

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                          @jon-nyc said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

                          @Jolly said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

                          The Feds can advise. The Governors have the power, just as they have the lockdown power.

                          With all due respect to President Trump, I think I'll wait and see what the MA Governor and my company management have to say.

                          I was only joking

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                            @Jolly said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

                            The Feds can advise. The Governors have the power, just as they have the lockdown power.

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                            @jon-nyc said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

                            @Jolly said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

                            The Feds can advise. The Governors have the power, just as they have the lockdown power.

                            Mr. Trump is wrong. He can advise, he cannot compel.

                            Of course, he owns some mighty big sticks and carrots.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              That might have been his most boneheaded tweet yet. specially after putting a lot of responsibility on governors to get their own PPE. Very, very bad move and it will come back on him n November.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                He really is his own worst enemy. His opponents would be better off gently tweaking him like this, and letting him go off on a tear and making himself look insecure, than attacking full frontal, which is what he enjoys.

                                It's a bit like those family meals where you see if you can get certain relatives to go off an a rant by just dropping a couple of words into the conversation about national service, or The Empire or something.

                                I was only joking

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                                  He really is his own worst enemy. His opponents would be better off gently tweaking him like this, and letting him go off on a tear and making himself look insecure, than attacking full frontal, which is what he enjoys.

                                  It's a bit like those family meals where you see if you can get certain relatives to go off an a rant by just dropping a couple of words into the conversation about national service, or The Empire or something.

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                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

                                  He really is his own worst enemy.

                                  Indeed. It takes a lot of effort to distinguish what he does from what he says. If he could just STFU....

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    Does anyone know?

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                                    @jon-nyc said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

                                    Does anyone know?

                                    If you are really interested in what they might be planning the Whitehouse web site still works

                                    https://www.whitehouse.gov/

                                    For more specific Corona virus stuff they will direct you here

                                    https://www.coronavirus.gov/

                                    For more tncr fodder try

                                    https://www.cnn.com/

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                                      Isn't this typical Trump?

                                      IT'S MY DECISION. Then the media goes crazy.

                                      Then after awhile, he talks about how he is working with and listening to governors, agrees with them, they cringe and then compliment him, the media gets played while trying to understand federalism and the commerce clause, while trying to trap him.

                                      Strong, decisive, yet open to collaboration along the way. See you in November.

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                                        That might have been his most boneheaded tweet yet. specially after putting a lot of responsibility on governors to get their own PPE. Very, very bad move and it will come back on him n November.

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                                        @Mik said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:

                                        That might have been his most boneheaded tweet yet. specially after putting a lot of responsibility on governors to get their own PPE. Very, very bad move and it will come back on him n November.

                                        I think his view is that he has absolute power and absolutely no responsibility.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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