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Puzzle time - who’s bullet?

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  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

    @jon-nyc #1 and #2 cannot happen. In the riddle, one bullet hits you said. I think that leaves only 3 and 4

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    Horace
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    @taiwan_girl said in Puzzle time - who’s bullet?:

    @jon-nyc #1 and #2 cannot happen. In the riddle, one bullet hits you said. I think that leaves only 3 and 4

    Yes good job TG. So regardless of what the absolute probabilities of 3 and 4 are, the puzzle is to determine the ratio between the two.

    Education is extremely important.

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      I will think some more. Should not be too difficult. Lol

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        ||spoiler||
        Both hit - chance is .75 x .25 = .1875
        Both miss - chance is .25 x .75 = .1875
        J hit, K miss - chance is .75 x .75 = .5625
        J miss, K hit - chance is .25 x .25 = .0625

        If one bullet hits, either case 3 or 4 has taken place. Chance it was Jon is .5625/(.5625+.0625) = 90%.

        I was only joking

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        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

          ||spoiler||
          Both hit - chance is .75 x .25 = .1875
          Both miss - chance is .25 x .75 = .1875
          J hit, K miss - chance is .75 x .75 = .5625
          J miss, K hit - chance is .25 x .25 = .0625

          If one bullet hits, either case 3 or 4 has taken place. Chance it was Jon is .5625/(.5625+.0625) = 90%.

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          @Doctor-Phibes your spoiler didn’t work. LOL

          but what you did makes sense. I am going to claim that I would have done the same answer. 😂😂

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            Bugger, sorry.

            I was only joking

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            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

              Bugger, sorry.

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              @Doctor-Phibes said in Puzzle time - who’s bullet?:

              Bugger, sorry.

              Don't be sorry. You are t3h stats jock!

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              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                @jon-nyc #1 and #2 cannot happen. In the riddle, one bullet hits you said. I think that leaves only 3 and 4

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                @taiwan_girl said in Puzzle time - who’s bullet?:

                @jon-nyc #1 and #2 cannot happen. In the riddle, one bullet hits you said. I think that leaves only 3 and 4

                Well it’s an intermediate step which allows you to get to the conditional probability that the target is hit by only one bullet.

                “In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans never, ever, one time agreed on what a health care proposal should look like. Not once.”

                • Former Speaker of the House John Boehner
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                  To make the problem more realistic instead of shooting a target the puzzle should have been successfully playing a Rachmaninoff etude.

                  “In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans never, ever, one time agreed on what a health care proposal should look like. Not once.”

                  • Former Speaker of the House John Boehner
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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    To make the problem more realistic instead of shooting a target the puzzle should have been successfully playing a Rachmaninoff etude.

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                    #15

                    @jon-nyc 😂

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                    • MikM Offline
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                      Neither one. Klaus can't shoot and you're drunk.

                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                        What's the probability of somebody's family member shooting either Klaus or Jon as they attempt to play a Rachmaninoff etude?

                        I was only joking

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                          Exact Bayesian inference for the win.

                          normalize $ do
                              k <- coin 0.25
                              j <- coin 0.75
                              if ((k && not j) || (j && not k)) then (if k then return "Klaus" else return "Jon") else fail
                          

                          Result:

                          Dist [(0.9,"Jon"),(0.1,"Klaus")]
                          
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                            Fucking IT people.

                            I was only joking

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                            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                              Fucking IT people.

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                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Puzzle time - who’s bullet?:

                              Fucking IT people.

                              Not in this lifetime. Nerds.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                I have a similar puzzle for Jon.

                                Jon sends us a recording of a Rachmaninoff etude and tells us that it is a recording from him.

                                Jon is a trustworthy forum member, so before listening we are 99% confident that Jon tells the truth and didn't actually send us a recording by Klaus (which would be flawless).

                                However, we also know that the probability that Jon hits a correct note is only 40%.

                                We start listening to the 10 first notes. They are all correct.

                                What's the likelihood that it is indeed Jon's recording?

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                                  100.0%

                                  “In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans never, ever, one time agreed on what a health care proposal should look like. Not once.”

                                  • Former Speaker of the House John Boehner
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