ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis
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ICE was nearby here. In my son's preschool parking lot but left at 830am after being asked by staff. They were just using the parking lot as a staging area. I missed it barely, dropped him off at 850am! They also were at a neighborhood 2 developments away arresting one of the workers there. That really sucks, you leave to go do work and just never come home. No judge, no warrant, no process, just herded up and sent in a plane to El Salvador or wherever. Probably dropped his kid off at school today just like me.
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My understanding is that the immediate deportees have already seen the judge and have had outstanding warrants in place for years.
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I seriously doubt he was on a plane to El Salvador today. It stands to reason they would look into his family members, especially children.
@Mik said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
I seriously doubt he was on a plane to El Salvador today. It stands to reason they would look into his family members, especially children.
I'm not saying he was on the plane today. But I am fairly certain his wife and kids have no idea where he is and won't for a few days or weeks, at least if he is processed the way they had been doing things in Ohio and Illinois. Plenty of stories where dayworkers are scooped up and the family doesn't even know who to call for information. I recall one story where the daughter moved to Brazil to be with her deported dad, but took her a few weeks to find out where exactly he is after not coming home one day and his work pickup truck abandoned.
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Yeah, but you are painting this tearjerking story without any specific knowledge of how this is being done. I think you've been assimilated by the Minnesoooota Democrats.
"You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell
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Megyn's take today. I see nothing obviously wrong with this. I understand everybody is having a rhetorical field day, but as rhetoric goes, this is fine and coherent.
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The guy next to the driver's door was in no danger at all. The guy more in front of the car should not have been where he was, and was not, as far as I can see, hit by the car. In any event, firing into the car was going to do nothing to stop a Honda Pilot unless, of course, you kill the driver. Even though they did it affected the car's path very little.
Still not buying it.
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Coherent yes, but still an only a third party investigation unconvincingly presented as objective and factual. Of course the deceased and her partner were engaged in mischief and obstruction. Both could be dealt with later and elsewhere.
Beyond that, I remain doubtful. Especially since partisan politicians of all stripes and colours along with their appointed minions within hours of the incident weighed in as self appointed judges and jury on what happened.
Hopefully, the ensuing investigation and inquiry will reveal the truth. But that will occur if the “partisans” can keep their mouths shut and minds open.
Elbows up!
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Yeah, but you are painting this tearjerking story without any specific knowledge of how this is being done. I think you've been assimilated by the Minnesoooota Democrats.
@Mik said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
Yeah, but you are painting this tearjerking story without any specific knowledge of how this is being done. I think you've been assimilated by the Minnesoooota Democrats.
Maybe. I suppose to be fair I was getting my information from a few interviews. I can't say the whole system is like this, but I also haven't seen reports of ICE telling relatives where their family member is when they grab and throw them into a vehicle and speed off, nor reports of how due process is being applied to validate their citizenship. I do have evidence of american citizens being kidnapped then released (this happened to a Target employee near where i live and he was dropped off at a nearby Walmart with a bloody face). Yes, an american citizen was kidnapped, bloodied, and then dropped off miles away. I have evidence of cops going up to brown people here and "cold calling" asking them where they were born. I'd imagine there's a big financial incentive behind ICE right now to deliver a certain number of bodies so they get a bonus or something.
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Coherent yes, but still an only a third party investigation unconvincingly presented as objective and factual. Of course the deceased and her partner were engaged in mischief and obstruction. Both could be dealt with later and elsewhere.
Beyond that, I remain doubtful. Especially since partisan politicians of all stripes and colours along with their appointed minions within hours of the incident weighed in as self appointed judges and jury on what happened.
Hopefully, the ensuing investigation and inquiry will reveal the truth. But that will occur if the “partisans” can keep their mouths shut and minds open.
@Renauda said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
Coherent yes, but still an only a third party investigation unconvincingly presented as objective and factual. Of course the deceased and her partner were engaged in mischief and obstruction. Both could be dealt with later and elsewhere.
Beyond that, I remain doubtful. Especially since partisan politicians of all stripes and colours along with their appointed minions within hours of the incident weighed in as self appointed judges and jury on what happened.
Hopefully, the ensuing investigation and inquiry will reveal the truth. But that will occur if the “partisans” can keep their mouths shut and minds open.
I'm not seeing very many ambiguities anymore in terms of what happened. And even if all relevant facts are agreed on, the different interpretations will remain. We'll never possibly know exactly what was going on in the head of the officer who shot her, and it will never be an objective fact whether he should have been in reasonable fear of great bodily harm in that moment.
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I mean, he was holding his camera with his right hand, walked in front of the vehicle and switched hands so he could take out his gun. He wanted something to happen and it did. I didn't watch Megyn's video above, but my opinion remains the same... absolutely unnecessary shooting, but also absolutely legal (technically) if a vehicle is driving (barely) towards a cop. If he really thought the vehicle was a risk he wouldn't have walked in front and switched hands so he could have a gun to shoot with.
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Of course, both participants had it well within their options for the killing not to have occurred. It's two separate discussions about whether the officer committed murder, and whose behavior was ultimately more responsible for the unfortunate ending. Maybe they have exactly equal culpability, that would be nice.
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There oughta be a name for that sort of posting style.
Declaration of authority by experience.
Short declarative sentences that cut through the bull and the ambiguity.
The moral weight of deep sadness.
meanwhile, it wouldn't be difficult to find someone with his exact credentials that thinks the opposite.
It doesn't usually work out well to extrapolate deep systemic issues - crises even - from isolated, juicy, narrative-driven law enforcement anecdotes. But whomever wrote that, is intent on carrying on that dubious tradition.
The implication that a society of several hundred million should expect to reduce to zero the juicy anecdotes of unnecessary deaths caused by law enforcement, simply by "increasing standards and accountability", remains as stupid as it always has been, and always will be. Body cams have in fact exonerated police far more than they have implicated them. Exactly the opposite of the expectations of those who think like this.
I don't actually believe very many people have "militarized police" high on their list of practical worries. And those who could legitimately claim that, would intersect almost unanimously with strong tribal feels about politics in general.
Just not this
deeply concerned
center right, non-partisan
military veteran
Social media poster with a profound message.
Education is extremely important.
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I wouldn't place any stakes on the notion that there isn't an equal and opposite precedent.
said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
I wouldn't place any stakes on the notion that there isn't an equal and opposite precedent.
Here's a treasure trove of precedent for those who wish to argue in the opposite direction.
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There oughta be a name for that sort of posting style.
Declaration of authority by experience.
Short declarative sentences that cut through the bull and the ambiguity.
The moral weight of deep sadness.
meanwhile, it wouldn't be difficult to find someone with his exact credentials that thinks the opposite.
It doesn't usually work out well to extrapolate deep systemic issues - crises even - from isolated, juicy, narrative-driven law enforcement anecdotes. But whomever wrote that, is intent on carrying on that dubious tradition.
The implication that a society of several hundred million should expect to reduce to zero the juicy anecdotes of unnecessary deaths caused by law enforcement, simply by "increasing standards and accountability", remains as stupid as it always has been, and always will be. Body cams have in fact exonerated police far more than they have implicated them. Exactly the opposite of the expectations of those who think like this.
I don't actually believe very many people have "militarized police" high on their list of practical worries. And those who could legitimately claim that, would intersect almost unanimously with strong tribal feels about politics in general.
Just not this
deeply concerned
center right, non-partisan
military veteran
Social media poster with a profound message.
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There oughta be a name for that sort of posting style.
Declaration of authority by experience.
Short declarative sentences that cut through the bull and the ambiguity.
The moral weight of deep sadness.
meanwhile, it wouldn't be difficult to find someone with his exact credentials that thinks the opposite.
It doesn't usually work out well to extrapolate deep systemic issues - crises even - from isolated, juicy, narrative-driven law enforcement anecdotes. But whomever wrote that, is intent on carrying on that dubious tradition.
The implication that a society of several hundred million should expect to reduce to zero the juicy anecdotes of unnecessary deaths caused by law enforcement, simply by "increasing standards and accountability", remains as stupid as it always has been, and always will be. Body cams have in fact exonerated police far more than they have implicated them. Exactly the opposite of the expectations of those who think like this.
I don't actually believe very many people have "militarized police" high on their list of practical worries. And those who could legitimately claim that, would intersect almost unanimously with strong tribal feels about politics in general.
Just not this
deeply concerned
center right, non-partisan
military veteran
Social media poster with a profound message.
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
Body cams have in fact exonerated police far more than they have implicated them. Exactly the opposite of the expectations of those who think like this.
I doubt you could know that since your sample set is limited to white cop/black perp/viral video scenarios.
