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The America Party?

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    #5

    If we could have an America party like that and leave the GOP to the magats and the dems to the woke I’d be happy.

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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    • KlausK Offline
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      But is it realistic? In the American election system, a two party system is basically the only stable configuration. It would take an immense splash to replace one of the parties with a different one. Three parties of approximately equal size could only exist very transiently, I guess.

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        Pretty much.

        In the past the third party has subsumed a dying second party.

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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        • MikM Offline
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          Where we are now is both parties are caricatures of their former reasonable selves. Maybe over time they will both die and be subsumed. One can only hope.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            I've always fantasized that a third party should be formed - with a narrow focus - to reorder the most egregious idiocy of the current system - term limits, establishment of a system that negates gerrymandering, something that limits congressional and judicial enrichment - - essentially new guardrails that inhibit governmental overreach - along with protections for the proverbial "common man/woman". One might suggest limiting the disproportionate influence of certain external actors - but then one might be accused of being anti-Christian, antisemitic, anti-woke, anti-union, or anti-something.

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              We've already got antediluvian

              I was only joking

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                Wim
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                An opportunity for the Communist Party of the USA 😁😁😁

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                • kluursK kluurs

                  I've always fantasized that a third party should be formed - with a narrow focus - to reorder the most egregious idiocy of the current system - term limits, establishment of a system that negates gerrymandering, something that limits congressional and judicial enrichment - - essentially new guardrails that inhibit governmental overreach - along with protections for the proverbial "common man/woman". One might suggest limiting the disproportionate influence of certain external actors - but then one might be accused of being anti-Christian, antisemitic, anti-woke, anti-union, or anti-something.

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                  @kluurs said in The America Party?:

                  I've always fantasized that a third party should be formed

                  Yeah, most guys agree... preferably a female 3rd party

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                  • 89th8 89th

                    The commandeering lately has been in the fringe direction, it seems. Would be nice to have a party that attracted the moderates (the meat of the bell curve), ideally one that is fiscally responsible, strong military, judicially conservative, invests in the American economy and infrastructure, and empathetic to the vulnerable with pragmatic programs to help those in need. In other words, maybe we need Bill Clinton again?

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                    @89th said in The America Party?:

                    The commandeering lately has been in the fringe direction, it seems. Would be nice to have a party that attracted the moderates (the meat of the bell curve), ideally one that is fiscally responsible, strong military, judicially conservative, invests in the American economy and infrastructure, and empathetic to the vulnerable with pragmatic programs to help those in need. In other words, maybe we need Bill Clinton again?

                    LOL, you think that was Bill Clinton’s actual policies and not the compromise positions due to the Gingrich Congress…

                    The Brad

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                    • kluursK kluurs

                      I've always fantasized that a third party should be formed - with a narrow focus - to reorder the most egregious idiocy of the current system - term limits, establishment of a system that negates gerrymandering, something that limits congressional and judicial enrichment - - essentially new guardrails that inhibit governmental overreach - along with protections for the proverbial "common man/woman". One might suggest limiting the disproportionate influence of certain external actors - but then one might be accused of being anti-Christian, antisemitic, anti-woke, anti-union, or anti-something.

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                      @kluurs said in The America Party?:

                      I've always fantasized that a third party should be formed - with a narrow focus - to reorder the most egregious idiocy of the current system - term limits, establishment of a system that negates gerrymandering, something that limits congressional and judicial enrichment - - essentially new guardrails that inhibit governmental overreach - along with protections for the proverbial "common man/woman". One might suggest limiting the disproportionate influence of certain external actors - but then one might be accused of being anti-Christian, antisemitic, anti-woke, anti-union, or anti-something.

                      The problem is all the roadblocks the two parties have placed on state elections to prevent third parties from gaining traction. Perot 1.0 really was quite impressive in how far he got.

                      The Brad

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                        We've already got antediluvian

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                        @Doctor-Phibes said in The America Party?:

                        We've already got antediluvian

                        Snort

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                          @89th said in The America Party?:

                          The commandeering lately has been in the fringe direction, it seems. Would be nice to have a party that attracted the moderates (the meat of the bell curve), ideally one that is fiscally responsible, strong military, judicially conservative, invests in the American economy and infrastructure, and empathetic to the vulnerable with pragmatic programs to help those in need. In other words, maybe we need Bill Clinton again?

                          LOL, you think that was Bill Clinton’s actual policies and not the compromise positions due to the Gingrich Congress…

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                          @LuFins-Dad said in The America Party?:

                          @89th said in The America Party?:

                          The commandeering lately has been in the fringe direction, it seems. Would be nice to have a party that attracted the moderates (the meat of the bell curve), ideally one that is fiscally responsible, strong military, judicially conservative, invests in the American economy and infrastructure, and empathetic to the vulnerable with pragmatic programs to help those in need. In other words, maybe we need Bill Clinton again?

                          LOL, you think that was Bill Clinton’s actual policies and not the compromise positions due to the Gingrich Congress…

                          To be honest, I actually have no idea. Maybe Clinton was lucky to also have the 90s... before "modern" issues like global jihad, school shootings, internet crap, social media crap, cell phones, on-demand ADHD attention spans... from a simplistic perspective, the budget was balanced (actually had surplus), the stock market boomed, and Israel and Palestine were shaking hands. And Monica was sneaking out of the white house.

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            @89th said in The America Party?:

                            The commandeering lately has been in the fringe direction, it seems. Would be nice to have a party that attracted the moderates (the meat of the bell curve), ideally one that is fiscally responsible, strong military, judicially conservative, invests in the American economy and infrastructure, and empathetic to the vulnerable with pragmatic programs to help those in need. In other words, maybe we need Bill Clinton again?

                            LOL, you think that was Bill Clinton’s actual policies and not the compromise positions due to the Gingrich Congress…

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                            @LuFins-Dad said in The America Party?:

                            @89th said in The America Party?:

                            The commandeering lately has been in the fringe direction, it seems. Would be nice to have a party that attracted the moderates (the meat of the bell curve), ideally one that is fiscally responsible, strong military, judicially conservative, invests in the American economy and infrastructure, and empathetic to the vulnerable with pragmatic programs to help those in need. In other words, maybe we need Bill Clinton again?

                            LOL, you think that was Bill Clinton’s actual policies and not the compromise positions due to the Gingrich Congress…

                            Yes. Woodward wrote a good book about it called The Agenda, describing how deficit reduction won out against his other priorities. From this era came Carville’s famous line about coming back as the bond markets.

                            And all this happened before Gingrich was speaker.

                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              Maybe. Since 2016 I’ve thought we don’t need a third party since with social media anyone sufficiently popular can commandeer one of the existing ones. That’s probably true now of the Democratic Party too though it held out a little longer.

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                              @jon-nyc said in The America Party?:

                              Maybe. Since 2016 I’ve thought we don’t need a third party since with social media anyone sufficiently popular can commandeer one of the existing ones. That’s probably true now of the Democratic Party too though it held out a little longer.

                              I think you're right about this, Jon. But I don't think anyone has really pushed this.

                              A lot of a party's power comes from funding, which goes to traditional media, which goes to getting a message to the mainstream.

                              As Mamdani recently demonstrated, you can be a nobody if you can make effective viral videos.

                              I think the parties have much less power right now than is recognized.

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