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The America Party?

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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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    • taiwan_girlT Offline
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      I think a middle party is needed, but I think they have also been tried before and have not worked.

      I think that the two parties have so much control over the whole election process that it makes it very hard for a new party to be a success.

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        Maybe. Since 2016 I’ve thought we don’t need a third party since with social media anyone sufficiently popular can commandeer one of the existing ones. That’s probably true now of the Democratic Party too though it held out a little longer.

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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          The commandeering lately has been in the fringe direction, it seems. Would be nice to have a party that attracted the moderates (the meat of the bell curve), ideally one that is fiscally responsible, strong military, judicially conservative, invests in the American economy and infrastructure, and empathetic to the vulnerable with pragmatic programs to help those in need. In other words, maybe we need Bill Clinton again?

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            If we could have an America party like that and leave the GOP to the magats and the dems to the woke I’d be happy.

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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            • KlausK Offline
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              But is it realistic? In the American election system, a two party system is basically the only stable configuration. It would take an immense splash to replace one of the parties with a different one. Three parties of approximately equal size could only exist very transiently, I guess.

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              • jon-nycJ Online
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                Pretty much.

                In the past the third party has subsumed a dying second party.

                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                -Cormac McCarthy

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                • MikM Away
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                  Where we are now is both parties are caricatures of their former reasonable selves. Maybe over time they will both die and be subsumed. One can only hope.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    I've always fantasized that a third party should be formed - with a narrow focus - to reorder the most egregious idiocy of the current system - term limits, establishment of a system that negates gerrymandering, something that limits congressional and judicial enrichment - - essentially new guardrails that inhibit governmental overreach - along with protections for the proverbial "common man/woman". One might suggest limiting the disproportionate influence of certain external actors - but then one might be accused of being anti-Christian, antisemitic, anti-woke, anti-union, or anti-something.

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                      We've already got antediluvian

                      I was only joking

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                        An opportunity for the Communist Party of the USA 😁😁😁

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                        • kluursK kluurs

                          I've always fantasized that a third party should be formed - with a narrow focus - to reorder the most egregious idiocy of the current system - term limits, establishment of a system that negates gerrymandering, something that limits congressional and judicial enrichment - - essentially new guardrails that inhibit governmental overreach - along with protections for the proverbial "common man/woman". One might suggest limiting the disproportionate influence of certain external actors - but then one might be accused of being anti-Christian, antisemitic, anti-woke, anti-union, or anti-something.

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                          @kluurs said in The America Party?:

                          I've always fantasized that a third party should be formed

                          Yeah, most guys agree... preferably a female 3rd party

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                          • 89th8 89th

                            The commandeering lately has been in the fringe direction, it seems. Would be nice to have a party that attracted the moderates (the meat of the bell curve), ideally one that is fiscally responsible, strong military, judicially conservative, invests in the American economy and infrastructure, and empathetic to the vulnerable with pragmatic programs to help those in need. In other words, maybe we need Bill Clinton again?

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                            @89th said in The America Party?:

                            The commandeering lately has been in the fringe direction, it seems. Would be nice to have a party that attracted the moderates (the meat of the bell curve), ideally one that is fiscally responsible, strong military, judicially conservative, invests in the American economy and infrastructure, and empathetic to the vulnerable with pragmatic programs to help those in need. In other words, maybe we need Bill Clinton again?

                            LOL, you think that was Bill Clinton’s actual policies and not the compromise positions due to the Gingrich Congress…

                            The Brad

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                            • kluursK kluurs

                              I've always fantasized that a third party should be formed - with a narrow focus - to reorder the most egregious idiocy of the current system - term limits, establishment of a system that negates gerrymandering, something that limits congressional and judicial enrichment - - essentially new guardrails that inhibit governmental overreach - along with protections for the proverbial "common man/woman". One might suggest limiting the disproportionate influence of certain external actors - but then one might be accused of being anti-Christian, antisemitic, anti-woke, anti-union, or anti-something.

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                              @kluurs said in The America Party?:

                              I've always fantasized that a third party should be formed - with a narrow focus - to reorder the most egregious idiocy of the current system - term limits, establishment of a system that negates gerrymandering, something that limits congressional and judicial enrichment - - essentially new guardrails that inhibit governmental overreach - along with protections for the proverbial "common man/woman". One might suggest limiting the disproportionate influence of certain external actors - but then one might be accused of being anti-Christian, antisemitic, anti-woke, anti-union, or anti-something.

                              The problem is all the roadblocks the two parties have placed on state elections to prevent third parties from gaining traction. Perot 1.0 really was quite impressive in how far he got.

                              The Brad

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                              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                We've already got antediluvian

                                MikM Away
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                                @Doctor-Phibes said in The America Party?:

                                We've already got antediluvian

                                Snort

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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