El Salvador declines to return Garcia
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@kluurs said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
Seems crazy - but yeah, should bring him back - follow due process - and likely, he'll be deported. It may seem more efficient to just leave him there - but the process should be followed. The problem is that respective media will blur whatever happens to fit a narrative.
Exactly. Defying the court by having the El Salvadorian president say no does not work for me.
@Mik said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
@kluurs said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
Seems crazy - but yeah, should bring him back - follow due process - and likely, he'll be deported. It may seem more efficient to just leave him there - but the process should be followed. The problem is that respective media will blur whatever happens to fit a narrative.
Exactly. Defying the court by having the El Salvadorian president say no does not work for me.
Again, the El Salvadore president declining to spike the political volleyball over the American border is not the operative decision here. The operative decision is America failing to "facilitate the transfer".
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The kind of interesting fly in the ointment here is the guy being an El Salvadoran citizen. If Garcia was wanted for gang activities in El Salvador (and the evidence he gave to avoid being deported in 2019 suggests that he was), then we are asking El Salvador to release a criminal from their custody to us for a new deportation hearing, at the end of which he will either be deported to El Salvador, or he will not. At which point El Salvador immediately files their own charges against him and asks the US to extradite.
I still say you have to follow the appropriate procedures, but it is a little funky to ask a country to send us one of their own citizens…
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The Trump admin's messaging here is not at all focused on the decision of El Salvador, so I'm not sure how this notion of El Salvador refusing to return him became part of the discussion. The Trump admin is being very clear that they do not want that guy back. They will send no planes for him, and they will authorize no reentry for him. And yes, that does appear to violate the court order.
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The Trump admin's messaging here is not at all focused on the decision of El Salvador, so I'm not sure how this notion of El Salvador refusing to return him became part of the discussion. The Trump admin is being very clear that they do not want that guy back. They will send no planes for him, and they will authorize no reentry for him. And yes, that does appear to violate the court order.
@Horace said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
The Trump admin's messaging here is not at all focused on the decision of El Salvador, so I'm not sure how this notion of El Salvador refusing to return him became part of the discussion. The Trump admin is being very clear that they do not want that guy back. They will send no planes for him, and they will authorize no reentry for him. And yes, that does appear to violate the court order.
Oh, I don’t disagree, and have commented that they need to follow due process, and haven’t. And yes, the whole “we asked nicely” shtick is patently and obviously ridiculous, and they know it. They are playing stupid games and are entitled to stupid prizes. I’m just saying that if they wanted to make an actually interesting argument, they could.
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So how will this end up?
A) Nothing, it fades away as a story, he remains in El Jail
B) He is returned, re-tried, and re-deported
C) He is killed while in El Salvador, memes later say he had evidence about Clinton and Epstein
D) He is transferred to another country, like Mexico
E) He is returned here and is allowed to stayI'm guessing C.
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It's unclear what, if any, fallout is practically possible for the Trump admin failing to adhere to the court order to facilitate his return. That may play a role.
@Horace said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
It's unclear what, if any, fallout is practically possible for the Trump admin failing to adhere to the court order to facilitate his return. That may play a role.
This. The practical implications from playing stupid games with the court will sink this administration.
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So I guess I was wrong when I said the Trump admin did not ask El Salvador to return Garcia. They claim to have asked, and they claim that they would provide a plane, in accordance with the court order. Then, we have the non-sequitur from the El Salvador president about how he would have to smuggle Garcia over the border. The operative decision continues to be the US administration's, but there is more verbal subterfuge and nonsense in the messaging from both countries than I realized.
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More about this wonderful “Maryland Father”
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Don’t get me wrong, he absolutely needs to be brought back. But for our sake, not his.
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That's weird he was just given a warning, too.
So for actual evidence, his only crime so far is he was loitering while looking for work.
But the more likely story is he's MS-13, an abusive husband at times, and likely a trafficker of illegals from Mexico to Maryland.
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@taiwan_girl said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
True or not? I dont know.
This is the stupidest argument ever. The marijuana leaf = M. The smiley with xed eyes = S, the single cross = 1, the skull with the 3 squares is a regular dice model = 3
MS13… An agent typed in the letters on the picture relating what each symbol meant. It’s a frigging gang symbol glossary on the picture but people are saying the letters are fake. Yes, they are fucking fake. Barrio -18 doesn’t tattoo that name on their arm using Arial font… FFS
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@Mik said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
All of which has nothing to do with defying a court order.
Absolutely. I don’t disagree. Hell, it never should have gotten to the point of needing a court order to begin with. There was a stay, they accidentally deported him anyway. Fix the problem. Bring him back, get the stay lifted, and deport him.
But let’s stop pretending this guy is a great father and a pillar of society.
The guy needs to be removed from the country and the administration needs to follow the law in doing so. Both can be true.
