El Salvador declines to return Garcia
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@89th said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
El Prez is absolutely just doing whatever
I feel bad for his wife and 3 kids (he married and had kids after an American judge ordered that he is not allowed to be sent back to El Salvador given the threat to his life).Do you mean the wife and 3 kids that had restraining orders on him after he was using her as a punching bag?
@LuFins-Dad said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
@89th said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
El Prez is absolutely just doing whatever
I feel bad for his wife and 3 kids (he married and had kids after an American judge ordered that he is not allowed to be sent back to El Salvador given the threat to his life).Do you mean the wife and 3 kids that had restraining orders on him after he was using her as a punching bag?
Yup. Sounds like things settled over the last 4 years as they had more kids together.
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@LuFins-Dad said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
@89th said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
El Prez is absolutely just doing whatever
I feel bad for his wife and 3 kids (he married and had kids after an American judge ordered that he is not allowed to be sent back to El Salvador given the threat to his life).Do you mean the wife and 3 kids that had restraining orders on him after he was using her as a punching bag?
Nah, the wife that didn't marry him until after he was arrested.
@Jolly said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
@LuFins-Dad said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
@89th said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
El Prez is absolutely just doing whatever
I feel bad for his wife and 3 kids (he married and had kids after an American judge ordered that he is not allowed to be sent back to El Salvador given the threat to his life).Do you mean the wife and 3 kids that had restraining orders on him after he was using her as a punching bag?
Nah, the wife that didn't marry him until after he was arrested.
Was he arrested? Trying to find that. As far as I'm aware, he was never charged or convicted of any crimes.
(BTW if I were a betting man, I'd say he was part of MS-13, and of course here illegally, but Trump's refusal to comply with the court is a much bigger threat than the guy looking for day-labor work outside a home depot)
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Yes, he has been arrested, for a fairly innocuous crime of loitering at a Home Depot looking for day labor. During the arrest, he was wearing clothing associated with MS-13 and was arrested with 2 other known members of MS-13. The PG County police reached out to a confidential informant within MS-13 that verified that he was indeed a member and was a low level boss within the group. During the hearing and the follow up deportation hearing, the judge found that he was indeed “likely” to be a member. Remember that in 2019, it wasn’t actually illegal to be a member of MS-13, you actually had to be convicted of committing a crime) and he was there illegally. He was absolutely allowed to be deported. However… The guy gave credible evidence to the judge that he faced reprisals from rival gangs in El Salvador, so he was granted TPS. And a stay from deportation was granted. Since that time, he married, had his wife try to get a PFA and restraining order granted, then rescinded the request (because abuse victims never go back to their abusers, amirite?), had 3 kids that all have severe issues (non-verbal autism, epilepsy, etc…).
This is such a stupid case. Bring the guy back, take it to court and lift the deportation stay, then send him back.
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Yes, he has been arrested, for a fairly innocuous crime of loitering at a Home Depot looking for day labor. During the arrest, he was wearing clothing associated with MS-13 and was arrested with 2 other known members of MS-13. The PG County police reached out to a confidential informant within MS-13 that verified that he was indeed a member and was a low level boss within the group. During the hearing and the follow up deportation hearing, the judge found that he was indeed “likely” to be a member. Remember that in 2019, it wasn’t actually illegal to be a member of MS-13, you actually had to be convicted of committing a crime) and he was there illegally. He was absolutely allowed to be deported. However… The guy gave credible evidence to the judge that he faced reprisals from rival gangs in El Salvador, so he was granted TPS. And a stay from deportation was granted. Since that time, he married, had his wife try to get a PFA and restraining order granted, then rescinded the request (because abuse victims never go back to their abusers, amirite?), had 3 kids that all have severe issues (non-verbal autism, epilepsy, etc…).
This is such a stupid case. Bring the guy back, take it to court and lift the deportation stay, then send him back.
@LuFins-Dad said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
This is such a stupid case. Bring the guy back, take it to court and lift the deportation stay, then send him back.
The Trump admin is just happy to be able to message that the Democrats love terrorists and want them in the country. They are not motivated to fix this.
Education is extremely important.
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Seems crazy - but yeah, should bring him back - follow due process - and likely, he'll be deported. It may seem more efficient to just leave him there - but the process should be followed. The problem is that respective media will blur whatever happens to fit a narrative.
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@LuFins-Dad said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
This is such a stupid case. Bring the guy back, take it to court and lift the deportation stay, then send him back.
The Trump admin is just happy to be able to message that the Democrats love terrorists and want them in the country. They are not motivated to fix this.
@Horace said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
@LuFins-Dad said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
This is such a stupid case. Bring the guy back, take it to court and lift the deportation stay, then send him back.
The Trump admin is just happy to be able to message that the Democrats love terrorists and want them in the country. They are not motivated to fix this.
The visual of having a Maryland mother from Van Hollen’s district whose daughter was raped and killed by an illegal visiting the WH and being hugged by Trump while Van Hollen was in El Salvador advocating for the return and release of an MS-13 member was particularly powerful.
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Seems crazy - but yeah, should bring him back - follow due process - and likely, he'll be deported. It may seem more efficient to just leave him there - but the process should be followed. The problem is that respective media will blur whatever happens to fit a narrative.
@kluurs said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
Seems crazy - but yeah, should bring him back - follow due process - and likely, he'll be deported. It may seem more efficient to just leave him there - but the process should be followed. The problem is that respective media will blur whatever happens to fit a narrative.
Exactly. Defying the court by having the El Salvadorian president say no does not work for me.
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@kluurs said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
Seems crazy - but yeah, should bring him back - follow due process - and likely, he'll be deported. It may seem more efficient to just leave him there - but the process should be followed. The problem is that respective media will blur whatever happens to fit a narrative.
Exactly. Defying the court by having the El Salvadorian president say no does not work for me.
@Mik said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
@kluurs said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
Seems crazy - but yeah, should bring him back - follow due process - and likely, he'll be deported. It may seem more efficient to just leave him there - but the process should be followed. The problem is that respective media will blur whatever happens to fit a narrative.
Exactly. Defying the court by having the El Salvadorian president say no does not work for me.
Again, the El Salvadore president declining to spike the political volleyball over the American border is not the operative decision here. The operative decision is America failing to "facilitate the transfer".
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The kind of interesting fly in the ointment here is the guy being an El Salvadoran citizen. If Garcia was wanted for gang activities in El Salvador (and the evidence he gave to avoid being deported in 2019 suggests that he was), then we are asking El Salvador to release a criminal from their custody to us for a new deportation hearing, at the end of which he will either be deported to El Salvador, or he will not. At which point El Salvador immediately files their own charges against him and asks the US to extradite.
I still say you have to follow the appropriate procedures, but it is a little funky to ask a country to send us one of their own citizens…
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The Trump admin's messaging here is not at all focused on the decision of El Salvador, so I'm not sure how this notion of El Salvador refusing to return him became part of the discussion. The Trump admin is being very clear that they do not want that guy back. They will send no planes for him, and they will authorize no reentry for him. And yes, that does appear to violate the court order.
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The Trump admin's messaging here is not at all focused on the decision of El Salvador, so I'm not sure how this notion of El Salvador refusing to return him became part of the discussion. The Trump admin is being very clear that they do not want that guy back. They will send no planes for him, and they will authorize no reentry for him. And yes, that does appear to violate the court order.
@Horace said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
The Trump admin's messaging here is not at all focused on the decision of El Salvador, so I'm not sure how this notion of El Salvador refusing to return him became part of the discussion. The Trump admin is being very clear that they do not want that guy back. They will send no planes for him, and they will authorize no reentry for him. And yes, that does appear to violate the court order.
Oh, I don’t disagree, and have commented that they need to follow due process, and haven’t. And yes, the whole “we asked nicely” shtick is patently and obviously ridiculous, and they know it. They are playing stupid games and are entitled to stupid prizes. I’m just saying that if they wanted to make an actually interesting argument, they could.
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So how will this end up?
A) Nothing, it fades away as a story, he remains in El Jail
B) He is returned, re-tried, and re-deported
C) He is killed while in El Salvador, memes later say he had evidence about Clinton and Epstein
D) He is transferred to another country, like Mexico
E) He is returned here and is allowed to stayI'm guessing C.
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It's unclear what, if any, fallout is practically possible for the Trump admin failing to adhere to the court order to facilitate his return. That may play a role.
@Horace said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
It's unclear what, if any, fallout is practically possible for the Trump admin failing to adhere to the court order to facilitate his return. That may play a role.
This. The practical implications from playing stupid games with the court will sink this administration.
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So I guess I was wrong when I said the Trump admin did not ask El Salvador to return Garcia. They claim to have asked, and they claim that they would provide a plane, in accordance with the court order. Then, we have the non-sequitur from the El Salvador president about how he would have to smuggle Garcia over the border. The operative decision continues to be the US administration's, but there is more verbal subterfuge and nonsense in the messaging from both countries than I realized.
