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It gets personal

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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
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    #18

    I’m working with both UNC and U of Utah now, plus Wake Forest.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      blondie
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      #19

      I’m sorry @jon-nyc . You and your colleagues are smart though. I’m confident you’ll find a solution.

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        jon-nyc
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        #20

        The work won't end, it's too important, we won't let it.

        The bigger fear is what happens with research and clinical trials generally if the indirects get cut overnight. That's too much for a little foundation to backstop.

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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        • MikM Offline
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          #21

          I can see cutting future grants. Cutting active studies, especially clinical trials, is exceptionally wasteful.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • MikM Mik

            I can see cutting future grants. Cutting active studies, especially clinical trials, is exceptionally wasteful.

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            #22

            @Mik said in It gets personal:

            Cutting active studies, especially clinical trials, is exceptionally wasteful.

            This is more appreciated in the biomed fields but less appreciated in the computer/infotech fields.

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              taiwan_girl
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              #23

              Sorry for the thread hijack, but another area where the funding cuts are somewhat personal. A (distant) friend works in the Soybean Innovation Lab at the University of IL. They have lost their funding and are in the process of closing.

              Illinois is the leading producer of soybeans in the United States, and the industry is crucial to Illinois’ economy. According to the Illinois Department of Agriculture, Illinois is the nation’s second-leading exporter of soybeans and ranks third in the export of agricultural goods as a whole, earning over $8 billion worth.

              https://soybeaninnovationlab.illinois.edu

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                #24

                Johns Hopkins laid off 2k workers yesterday.

                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                -Cormac McCarthy

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                  wrote on last edited by Horace
                  #25

                  That's 247 American jobs and 2000 jobs in other countries.

                  https://thedailyrecord.com/2025/03/13/johns-hopkins-university-to-cut-2200-jobs-amid-lost-federal-funding/

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    #26

                    I can feel America getting greater already.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                    • MikM Offline
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                      Mik
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                      #27

                      I thought the blanket J6 pardon smacked of laziness. Seems that is a trend. I approve of the goals but not the means.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        Renauda
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                        #28

                        Sorry to learn of this jon. It seems so wasteful given the practical medical benefit that would have resulted. But as Blondie pointed out you and your team are smart, you’ll find a way.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
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                          #29

                          There will be blood.

                          I've already given the roasted chicken example. I think that's what will be done.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • MikM Mik

                            I thought the blanket J6 pardon smacked of laziness. Seems that is a trend. I approve of the goals but not the means.

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                            @Mik said in It gets personal:

                            I thought the blanket J6 pardon smacked of laziness. Seems that is a trend. I approve of the goals but not the means.

                            I don't think it's clear what those 2000 citizens of other countries were being paid to do, by the US taxpayers. This may or may not be a tragedy. But per se, it's what Maga was voted in to do.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #31

                              That’s one example only and related to USAID. How many offshore employees did Jon’s study employ?

                              I think my point on laziness stands.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • MikM Mik

                                That’s one example only and related to USAID. How many offshore employees did Jon’s study employ?

                                I think my point on laziness stands.

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                                Horace
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #32

                                @Mik said in It gets personal:

                                That’s one example only and related to USAID. How many offshore employees did Jon’s study employ?

                                I think my point on laziness stands.

                                I'm lost regarding what we're actually talking about, but 83% of USAID programs were cut, after a 6 week review. We don't have any information about the Johns Hopkins programs that were cut, but I am sure it's safe to say that "people will die" narratives can be crafted. Cuts are hard, as those of us in the private sector who've been surrounded by layoffs our entire working lives will attest to. But I'm not going to get too precious about it.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  kluurs
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                                  We're feeling it as well. My spouse's grant has been slated for termination. She's appealing and looking at alternative funding. It is challenging to think what the environment is going to be in a couple of months - let alone, years. She's done research on nerve regeneration involved in urologic conditions.

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                                    Mik
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                                    There’s no way to cut painlessly, I agree. I also believe there are taxpayer supported studies that are not worth the expense. But many if not most are. To cut them off in mid study while still proposing deficit spending seems less than due diligence.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      Horace
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                                      #35

                                      I agree that cutting studies off in the middle is stupid and lazy.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        xenon
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #36

                                        If there were painful cuts across the board and belt tightening, that’d be one thing.

                                        These seem like theatrical cuts, since the new budget will add a record amount to the deficit.

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                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #37

                                          I'm still waiting for an actual budget.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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