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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #898

    So is this Iran accepting the ultimatum, but phrasing it as their own ultimatum to sound better?

    Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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    • jon-nycJ Offline
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      jon-nyc
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      #899

      I don’t know this guy, but he’s a macroeconomist who is followed by some respectable people and JD Vance.

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      • MikM Away
        MikM Away
        Mik
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        #900

        Jesus.

        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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        • jon-nycJ Offline
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          #901

          Trying to figure out how much hyperbole there is in his concern.

          On the one hand, Saudi and even Qatar are not dominant players in gas. On the other hand (I just learned from an Odd Lots podcast on the subject) NG is far more expensive to transport and the logistics are very sticky due to pipelines and long term contracts. It’s not as much as a ‘one global market’ as oil is.

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          • jon-nycJ Offline
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            jon-nyc
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            #902

            Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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            • 89th8 Offline
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              89th
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              My wife just said one of our Alexa clocks is off by 2 minutes. If that doesn’t mean the world is out of sync I don’t know what to say.

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              • jon-nycJ Offline
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                jon-nyc
                wrote last edited by
                #904

                So Yanbu is THE major Saudi export hub for oil that doesn’t rely on the strait. So yeah.

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                • 89th8 Offline
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                  #905

                  So basically, there will be even more stagflation than was expected, despite Trump's new Fed Chairbuddy, and gas prices going up another $2 per gallon soon. I suppose gold will go even higher?

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                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                    #906

                    Seems to me to be too early to say but that is certainly the risk.

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                      Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                      • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                        President Trump yesterday:

                        They weren't supposed to go after all these other countries in the Middle East. Those missiles were sent to go after them. They hit Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait,

                        Nobody expected that. We were shocked. You know, they fought back.

                        He also said something like, "Iran did not have to fight back. They could have yielded."

                        #faceslap

                        He must have very incompetent advisors, or he does not listen to them. Probably the last, as I dont think that anybody would have said that Iran would not fight back.

                        Also, agree with @bachophile that the US had to know that Israel was going to do the bombing they did. 100% Looks like he is starting to throw Isreal "under the bus:

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                        • jon-nycJ Offline
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                          jon-nyc
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                          I’m reminded of when he said in his first term, “Nobody knew how hard health care reform would be”.

                          Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                            President Trump yesterday:

                            They weren't supposed to go after all these other countries in the Middle East. Those missiles were sent to go after them. They hit Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait,

                            Nobody expected that. We were shocked. You know, they fought back.

                            He also said something like, "Iran did not have to fight back. They could have yielded."

                            #faceslap

                            He must have very incompetent advisors, or he does not listen to them. Probably the last, as I dont think that anybody would have said that Iran would not fight back.

                            Also, agree with @bachophile that the US had to know that Israel was going to do the bombing they did. 100% Looks like he is starting to throw Isreal "under the bus:

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                            Renauda
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                            #910

                            @taiwan_girl

                            Also, agree with @bachophile that the US had to know that Israel was going to do the bombing they did. 100% Looks like he is starting to throw Isreal "under the bus:

                            Count me in as well, in fact it is inconceivable that under the current circumstances, the Israelis would not have coordinated this particular mission with US CENCOM.

                            Playing the victim and blaming others when things don’t go the way he wishes, however is His Exalted Ineptitude’s, Trump, M.O. and leadership style. As time goes on it rings more and more hollow.

                            What was once described as brilliant 4D chess in matters of foreign policy, can now only be lampooned as a children’s game of snakes and ladders with unacceptably high stakes.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • jon-nycJ Offline
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                              jon-nyc
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                              #911

                              Troops to secure the strait?

                              Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                              • 89th8 Offline
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                                I feel bad for their parents.

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                                • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    Troops to secure the strait?

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                                    @jon-nyc said:

                                    Troops to secure the strait?

                                    In addition to the troops from San Diego, I believe that they are also sending some Marine troops from Okinawa base in Japan.

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                                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                                      @taiwan_girl

                                      Also, agree with @bachophile that the US had to know that Israel was going to do the bombing they did. 100% Looks like he is starting to throw Isreal "under the bus:

                                      Count me in as well, in fact it is inconceivable that under the current circumstances, the Israelis would not have coordinated this particular mission with US CENCOM.

                                      Playing the victim and blaming others when things don’t go the way he wishes, however is His Exalted Ineptitude’s, Trump, M.O. and leadership style. As time goes on it rings more and more hollow.

                                      What was once described as brilliant 4D chess in matters of foreign policy, can now only be lampooned as a children’s game of snakes and ladders with unacceptably high stakes.

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                                      @Renauda said:

                                      Count me in as well, in fact it is inconceivable that under the current circumstances, the Israelis would not have coordinated this particular mission with US CENCOM.

                                      I believe that either PM or Foreign Minister of Isreal at first said that Isreal definitely let the US know what they were doing.

                                      Later, the stepped back on that statement. I wonder if there were some pressure from the US to change their statement. 🤔

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                                      • RenaudaR Offline
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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote last edited by Renauda
                                        #916

                                        @taiwan_girl

                                        Ya think?

                                        555

                                        Actually, as much as I dislike Netanyahu, he is the only coherent belligerent in this war. The logic he uses behind Isreal’s engagement and objectives are clearly articulated regardless of whether or not one agrees with him. The same cannot at all be said for his American ally no matter who is behind the mic, the X post or Truth Social tantrum.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • kluursK Offline
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                                          kluurs
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                                          #917

                                          There's reasonable speculation that Israel knew of 9/11 prior to the event and kept silent as it would likely work out in Israel's favor. It isn't out of bounds to think that they might not have shared their plans in the current situation.

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