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  • bachophileB Offline
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    bachophile
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    #897

    Former ambassador

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    • jon-nycJ Offline
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      jon-nyc
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      #898

      So is this Iran accepting the ultimatum, but phrasing it as their own ultimatum to sound better?

      Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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        #899

        I don’t know this guy, but he’s a macroeconomist who is followed by some respectable people and JD Vance.

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        • MikM Offline
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          Jesus.

          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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            jon-nyc
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            Trying to figure out how much hyperbole there is in his concern.

            On the one hand, Saudi and even Qatar are not dominant players in gas. On the other hand (I just learned from an Odd Lots podcast on the subject) NG is far more expensive to transport and the logistics are very sticky due to pipelines and long term contracts. It’s not as much as a ‘one global market’ as oil is.

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              jon-nyc
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              Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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              • 89th8 Offline
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                89th
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                My wife just said one of our Alexa clocks is off by 2 minutes. If that doesn’t mean the world is out of sync I don’t know what to say.

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                • jon-nycJ Offline
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                  jon-nyc
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                  #904

                  So Yanbu is THE major Saudi export hub for oil that doesn’t rely on the strait. So yeah.

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                  • 89th8 Offline
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                    #905

                    So basically, there will be even more stagflation than was expected, despite Trump's new Fed Chairbuddy, and gas prices going up another $2 per gallon soon. I suppose gold will go even higher?

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                    • jon-nycJ Offline
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                      #906

                      Seems to me to be too early to say but that is certainly the risk.

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                        Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                          President Trump yesterday:

                          They weren't supposed to go after all these other countries in the Middle East. Those missiles were sent to go after them. They hit Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait,

                          Nobody expected that. We were shocked. You know, they fought back.

                          He also said something like, "Iran did not have to fight back. They could have yielded."

                          #faceslap

                          He must have very incompetent advisors, or he does not listen to them. Probably the last, as I dont think that anybody would have said that Iran would not fight back.

                          Also, agree with @bachophile that the US had to know that Israel was going to do the bombing they did. 100% Looks like he is starting to throw Isreal "under the bus:

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                            jon-nyc
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                            I’m reminded of when he said in his first term, “Nobody knew how hard health care reform would be”.

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                            • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                              President Trump yesterday:

                              They weren't supposed to go after all these other countries in the Middle East. Those missiles were sent to go after them. They hit Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait,

                              Nobody expected that. We were shocked. You know, they fought back.

                              He also said something like, "Iran did not have to fight back. They could have yielded."

                              #faceslap

                              He must have very incompetent advisors, or he does not listen to them. Probably the last, as I dont think that anybody would have said that Iran would not fight back.

                              Also, agree with @bachophile that the US had to know that Israel was going to do the bombing they did. 100% Looks like he is starting to throw Isreal "under the bus:

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                              Renauda
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                              #910

                              @taiwan_girl

                              Also, agree with @bachophile that the US had to know that Israel was going to do the bombing they did. 100% Looks like he is starting to throw Isreal "under the bus:

                              Count me in as well, in fact it is inconceivable that under the current circumstances, the Israelis would not have coordinated this particular mission with US CENCOM.

                              Playing the victim and blaming others when things don’t go the way he wishes, however is His Exalted Ineptitude’s, Trump, M.O. and leadership style. As time goes on it rings more and more hollow.

                              What was once described as brilliant 4D chess in matters of foreign policy, can now only be lampooned as a children’s game of snakes and ladders with unacceptably high stakes.

                              Elbows up!

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                                jon-nyc
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                                #911

                                Troops to secure the strait?

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                                  I feel bad for their parents.

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                                    Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      Troops to secure the strait?

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                                      @jon-nyc said:

                                      Troops to secure the strait?

                                      In addition to the troops from San Diego, I believe that they are also sending some Marine troops from Okinawa base in Japan.

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                                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                                        @taiwan_girl

                                        Also, agree with @bachophile that the US had to know that Israel was going to do the bombing they did. 100% Looks like he is starting to throw Isreal "under the bus:

                                        Count me in as well, in fact it is inconceivable that under the current circumstances, the Israelis would not have coordinated this particular mission with US CENCOM.

                                        Playing the victim and blaming others when things don’t go the way he wishes, however is His Exalted Ineptitude’s, Trump, M.O. and leadership style. As time goes on it rings more and more hollow.

                                        What was once described as brilliant 4D chess in matters of foreign policy, can now only be lampooned as a children’s game of snakes and ladders with unacceptably high stakes.

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                                        @Renauda said:

                                        Count me in as well, in fact it is inconceivable that under the current circumstances, the Israelis would not have coordinated this particular mission with US CENCOM.

                                        I believe that either PM or Foreign Minister of Isreal at first said that Isreal definitely let the US know what they were doing.

                                        Later, the stepped back on that statement. I wonder if there were some pressure from the US to change their statement. 🤔

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                                          Renauda
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                                          #916

                                          @taiwan_girl

                                          Ya think?

                                          555

                                          Actually, as much as I dislike Netanyahu, he is the only coherent belligerent in this war. The logic he uses behind Isreal’s engagement and objectives are clearly articulated regardless of whether or not one agrees with him. The same cannot at all be said for his American ally no matter who is behind the mic, the X post or Truth Social tantrum.

                                          Elbows up!

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