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  • HoraceH Offline
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    Horace
    wrote last edited by
    #1314

    No strong opinion about Trump's motivations. The fact that Rubio said right after the start that Israel said it was going with or without the US, and that played a role, seems feasible. Even if he did walk that back at some point. Not sure how or why he would have said that if there's wasn't some truth to it.

    Clearly Trump likes the feeling that he's a strong man capable of exerting his will on the world by way of military force. So that played a role too.

    It's probably important not to imagine reasoning that seems complicated or nuanced, because Trump doesn't do complicated or nuanced.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • jon-nycJ Online
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      jon-nyc
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      #1315

      ISW summaries of both the Iran and Ukraine wars are worth following.

      There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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      • HoraceH Horace

        No strong opinion about Trump's motivations. The fact that Rubio said right after the start that Israel said it was going with or without the US, and that played a role, seems feasible. Even if he did walk that back at some point. Not sure how or why he would have said that if there's wasn't some truth to it.

        Clearly Trump likes the feeling that he's a strong man capable of exerting his will on the world by way of military force. So that played a role too.

        It's probably important not to imagine reasoning that seems complicated or nuanced, because Trump doesn't do complicated or nuanced.

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        Renauda
        wrote last edited by
        #1316

        @Horace

        Clearly Trump likes the feeling that he's a strong man capable of exerting his will on the world by way of military force. So that played a role too.

        Parse that one amongst history’s rubbish bin of demagogues and tyrants.

        Elbows up!

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          jon-nyc
          wrote last edited by jon-nyc
          #1317

          Interesting. But could give him someone to blame if, as it looks now, we take the L.

          There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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          • MikM Offline
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            Mik
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            #1318

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/everyone-assumes-america-can-just-bomb-iran-again-whenever-it-wants-it-can-t/ar-AA24VIiG?cvpid=891ce15cf02b4ebedf103f279d185f76

            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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            • MikM Mik

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/everyone-assumes-america-can-just-bomb-iran-again-whenever-it-wants-it-can-t/ar-AA24VIiG?cvpid=891ce15cf02b4ebedf103f279d185f76

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              Axtremus
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              #1319

              @Mik said:

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/everyone-assumes-america-can-just-bomb-iran-again-whenever-it-wants-it-can-t/ar-AA24VIiG?cvpid=891ce15cf02b4ebedf103f279d185f76

              There goes the "Best post in a long time on TNCR." 🤷

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                AndyD
                wrote last edited by
                #1320

                😄 I'm pretty certain the West's military-industrial complex is up to the job of replacing whatever is used quicker than any of us imagine; and also of prioritising production, e.g. of useful new arms such as long range drones.

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                • A Offline
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                  AndyD
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                  #1321

                  100 days into the war, Israel precision bombed the Hezbollah command centre for Lebanon, 10 missiles hit a tower block in Beirut.
                  Retaliation has been promised.

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                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote last edited by jon-nyc
                    #1322

                    Im getting close to the point where, when Trump says ‘we’re very close to a deal’, my priors update in the opposite direction.

                    There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                    • jon-nycJ Online
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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote last edited by
                      #1323

                      Former Israeli intelligence officer.

                      There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                      • HoraceH Offline
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                        Horace
                        wrote last edited by
                        #1324

                        "Blocked Israel"? He's commander in chief of the Israel army now?

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • jon-nycJ Online
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                          jon-nyc
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                          #1325

                          Israel has one friend left in the world (two if you count Eritrea) and Trump’s been known to hold a grudge for being disrespected. So yeah, blocked in a de facto sense.

                          There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                          • HoraceH Offline
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                            Horace
                            wrote last edited by Horace
                            #1326

                            We'll see. It is not set in stone, and any confident prediction that Trump is capable of effecting a unilateral cease-fire from Israel's side is posturing. It may turn out to be true that Israel doesn't respond this time, maybe, but it's hardly definite. Bibi is vowing reprisal as we speak.

                            Also it seems to me that Bibi has not acted as Trump's puppet throughout this conflict, and has done things against Trump's wishes from time to time.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • MikM Offline
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                              Mik
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                              #1327

                              Yeah, I don’t see how it’s really restricted Israel. They’re pretty self determined. It’s just Trump mouthing off.

                              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                              • RenaudaR Offline
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                                Renauda
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                                #1328

                                Israel strikes back at Iran:

                                https://www.bbc.com/news/live/clyengg72pgt?post=asset%3Ac527b3f3-b40b-4fd2-8654-5fe3abb0a137#post

                                Elbows up!

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                                • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                  Doctor Phibes
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                                  #1329

                                  The Most Important Man in the World isn't going to like that. Once he wakes up from his nap, of course.

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    #1330

                                    Here’s a different take:

                                    There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                                    • jon-nycJ Online
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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote last edited by jon-nyc
                                      #1331

                                      ‘Both sides’ now means Israel and Iran apparently.

                                      IMG_2782.jpeg

                                      There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                                        AndyD
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                                        #1332

                                        Is it true you can see Trump's ego from space?

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                                        • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                          Doctor Phibes
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                                          #1333

                                          Nobody knows more about ignorance and stupidity.

                                          I was only joking

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