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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
    wrote last edited by
    #1315

    ISW summaries of both the Iran and Ukraine wars are worth following.

    There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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    • HoraceH Horace

      No strong opinion about Trump's motivations. The fact that Rubio said right after the start that Israel said it was going with or without the US, and that played a role, seems feasible. Even if he did walk that back at some point. Not sure how or why he would have said that if there's wasn't some truth to it.

      Clearly Trump likes the feeling that he's a strong man capable of exerting his will on the world by way of military force. So that played a role too.

      It's probably important not to imagine reasoning that seems complicated or nuanced, because Trump doesn't do complicated or nuanced.

      RenaudaR Offline
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      Renauda
      wrote last edited by
      #1316

      @Horace

      Clearly Trump likes the feeling that he's a strong man capable of exerting his will on the world by way of military force. So that played a role too.

      Parse that one amongst history’s rubbish bin of demagogues and tyrants.

      Elbows up!

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      • jon-nycJ Offline
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        jon-nyc
        wrote last edited by jon-nyc
        #1317

        Interesting. But could give him someone to blame if, as it looks now, we take the L.

        There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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        • MikM Offline
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          Mik
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          #1318

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/everyone-assumes-america-can-just-bomb-iran-again-whenever-it-wants-it-can-t/ar-AA24VIiG?cvpid=891ce15cf02b4ebedf103f279d185f76

          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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          • MikM Mik

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/everyone-assumes-america-can-just-bomb-iran-again-whenever-it-wants-it-can-t/ar-AA24VIiG?cvpid=891ce15cf02b4ebedf103f279d185f76

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            Axtremus
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            #1319

            @Mik said:

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/everyone-assumes-america-can-just-bomb-iran-again-whenever-it-wants-it-can-t/ar-AA24VIiG?cvpid=891ce15cf02b4ebedf103f279d185f76

            There goes the "Best post in a long time on TNCR." 🤷

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            • A Offline
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              AndyD
              wrote last edited by
              #1320

              😄 I'm pretty certain the West's military-industrial complex is up to the job of replacing whatever is used quicker than any of us imagine; and also of prioritising production, e.g. of useful new arms such as long range drones.

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              • A Offline
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                AndyD
                wrote last edited by
                #1321

                100 days into the war, Israel precision bombed the Hezbollah command centre for Lebanon, 10 missiles hit a tower block in Beirut.
                Retaliation has been promised.

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                • jon-nycJ Offline
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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote last edited by jon-nyc
                  #1322

                  Im getting close to the point where, when Trump says ‘we’re very close to a deal’, my priors update in the opposite direction.

                  There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote last edited by
                    #1323

                    Former Israeli intelligence officer.

                    There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                    • HoraceH Offline
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                      Horace
                      wrote last edited by
                      #1324

                      "Blocked Israel"? He's commander in chief of the Israel army now?

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • jon-nycJ Offline
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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote last edited by jon-nyc
                        #1325

                        Israel has one friend left in the world (two if you count Eritrea) and Trump’s been known to hold a grudge for being disrespected. So yeah, blocked in a de facto sense.

                        There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                        • HoraceH Offline
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                          Horace
                          wrote last edited by Horace
                          #1326

                          We'll see. It is not set in stone, and any confident prediction that Trump is capable of effecting a unilateral cease-fire from Israel's side is posturing. It may turn out to be true that Israel doesn't respond this time, maybe, but it's hardly definite. Bibi is vowing reprisal as we speak.

                          Also it seems to me that Bibi has not acted as Trump's puppet throughout this conflict, and has done things against Trump's wishes from time to time.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            Mik
                            wrote last edited by
                            #1327

                            Yeah, I don’t see how it’s really restricted Israel. They’re pretty self determined. It’s just Trump mouthing off.

                            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                            • RenaudaR Offline
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                              Renauda
                              wrote last edited by
                              #1328

                              Israel strikes back at Iran:

                              https://www.bbc.com/news/live/clyengg72pgt?post=asset%3Ac527b3f3-b40b-4fd2-8654-5fe3abb0a137#post

                              Elbows up!

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                              • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                Doctor Phibes
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                                #1329

                                The Most Important Man in the World isn't going to like that. Once he wakes up from his nap, of course.

                                I was only joking

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                                • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #1330

                                  Here’s a different take:

                                  There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote last edited by jon-nyc
                                    #1331

                                    ‘Both sides’ now means Israel and Iran apparently.

                                    IMG_2782.jpeg

                                    There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                                      AndyD
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                                      #1332

                                      Is it true you can see Trump's ego from space?

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                                      • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                        Doctor Phibes
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #1333

                                        Nobody knows more about ignorance and stupidity.

                                        I was only joking

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                                        • Tom-KT Offline
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                                          Tom-K
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #1334

                                          Well, I see this entire Iran war as Trump trying to save Israel (and the world) from Iran starting some nuclear apocalypse. I can't imagine any other reason we have all those boats over there. I totally agree Hezbollah are a bunch of monsters and they need to be scoured off the face of the earth but maybe that could be next year's project? Lets just take care of Iran then Israel can do whatever they want in Lebanon. Maybe Netanyahu could take a little longer view of things.

                                          Ego similis habere bonum et non curat nunquam accipere malum.

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