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The Iran War (was Nuclear Program) thread

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  • MikM Mik

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    Renauda
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    #1074

    @Mik

    I get what Thorne is trying to explain and reason away in his tortured post factum analysis. It however misses the mark on two important aspects.

    The first being that it was the US itself following WWII that wanted its Western European allies to remain individually militarily weak but collectively allied with the US under NATO against the USSR and its satellites. Essentially the US would become the alternative major continental power to the Soviet Union, the position previously held by either France or Germany. Britain was never really part of the formula as it was never a continental power but rather a naval power with greatly diminished power projection abilities following WWII.

    The second being, there is no way the Trump Adminstration would reason or rationalize its current policies and plans under the guidance of Hegelian historicism. Like John Bolton, I am of the mind there is no grand plan or strategy governing Trump’s thoughts, pronouncements or actions let alone policy objectives extending beyond a week or so. In Trump’s mind a Hegelian dialectic would probably be something to relieve a gastrointestinal complaint.

    Elbows up!

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      wrote last edited by jon-nyc
      #1075

      Yeah politicians generally play checkers not chess, especially in democracies. That is when they’re not eating the pieces.

      Also there’s what’s known as the ‘myth of energy independence’. As if we can sit on our shores with $40 oil while huge swathes of the world just go without or pay 4x that.

      Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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        jon-nyc
        wrote last edited by jon-nyc
        #1076

        That said his outline of what’s happening seems correct. It’s what ending our role as a global superpower looks like.

        Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          That said his outline of what’s happening seems correct. It’s what ending our role as a global superpower looks like.

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          wrote last edited by Renauda
          #1077

          @jon-nyc

          Yeah politicians generally play checkers not chess, especially in democracies. That is when they’re not eating the pieces..

          Trump plays Snakes and Ladders. Always has.

          That said his outline of what’s happening seems correct. It’s what ending our role as a global superpower looks like..

          US will still be the Mega superpower, but its core values will increasingly resemble the other nuclear superpowers.

          Elbows up!

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            #1078

            Watch China wait until the war is over and make a deal with Iran to allow passage for all yuan-denominated oil deliveries.

            Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Watch China wait until the war is over and make a deal with Iran to allow passage for all yuan-denominated oil deliveries.

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              wrote last edited by Renauda
              #1079

              @jon-nyc said:

              Watch China wait until the war is over and make a deal with Iran to allow passage for all yuan-denominated oil deliveries.

              Possible. If so this Iran “excursion” will go down in history as Trump’s Folly.

              Elbows up!

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              • MikM Offline
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                wrote last edited by
                #1080

                A piece on Iran's water problems.

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-s-quiet-countdown-to-collapse/vi-AA1U6YRl

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote last edited by jon-nyc
                  #1081

                  Recovered.

                  Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                    #1082

                    Great news a blessing for the holiday

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                      bachophile
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                      #1083

                      everyone here extremely relieved.

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                      • jon-nycJ Offline
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                        #1084

                        They’ll be making a movie out of this.

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                          Found via the CIA’s “unique capabilities”

                          Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                            AndyD
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                            #1086

                            Great news indeed, an impressive military action.

                            Though losing two helicopters and another plane in the process implies/proves that low level flight over Iran is a high risk, presumably from shoulder launched missiles?

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                              #1087

                              Detailed timeline

                              Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                                #1088

                                Truth social just now

                                Tuesday will be Power Plant Day, and Bridge Day, all wrapped up in one, in Iran. There will be nothing like it!!! Open the Fuckin’ Strait, you crazy bastards, or you’ll be living in Hell - JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah. President DONALD J. TRUMP

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                                  Happy Easter! It’s a real message, too.

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                                  • MikM Offline
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                                    Is that the pot and the kettle?

                                    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                      #1091

                                      He forgot to wish them a happy Easter

                                      Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                                        #1092

                                        Prime time, too.

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                                        • MikM Mik

                                          Is that the pot and the kettle?

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                                          #1093

                                          @Mik said:

                                          Is that the pot and the kettle?

                                          Just spitballing and riffing channeling his inner Joe Pesci mobster character.

                                          Elbows up!

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