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  • MikM Offline
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    #1073

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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      @Mik

      I get what Thorne is trying to explain and reason away in his tortured post factum analysis. It however misses the mark on two important aspects.

      The first being that it was the US itself following WWII that wanted its Western European allies to remain individually militarily weak but collectively allied with the US under NATO against the USSR and its satellites. Essentially the US would become the alternative major continental power to the Soviet Union, the position previously held by either France or Germany. Britain was never really part of the formula as it was never a continental power but rather a naval power with greatly diminished power projection abilities following WWII.

      The second being, there is no way the Trump Adminstration would reason or rationalize its current policies and plans under the guidance of Hegelian historicism. Like John Bolton, I am of the mind there is no grand plan or strategy governing Trump’s thoughts, pronouncements or actions let alone policy objectives extending beyond a week or so. In Trump’s mind a Hegelian dialectic would probably be something to relieve a gastrointestinal complaint.

      Elbows up!

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      • jon-nycJ Offline
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        #1075

        Yeah politicians generally play checkers not chess, especially in democracies. That is when they’re not eating the pieces.

        Also there’s what’s known as the ‘myth of energy independence’. As if we can sit on our shores with $40 oil while huge swathes of the world just go without or pay 4x that.

        Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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          jon-nyc
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          #1076

          That said his outline of what’s happening seems correct. It’s what ending our role as a global superpower looks like.

          Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            That said his outline of what’s happening seems correct. It’s what ending our role as a global superpower looks like.

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            Renauda
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            #1077

            @jon-nyc

            Yeah politicians generally play checkers not chess, especially in democracies. That is when they’re not eating the pieces..

            Trump plays Snakes and Ladders. Always has.

            That said his outline of what’s happening seems correct. It’s what ending our role as a global superpower looks like..

            US will still be the Mega superpower, but its core values will increasingly resemble the other nuclear superpowers.

            Elbows up!

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              Watch China wait until the war is over and make a deal with Iran to allow passage for all yuan-denominated oil deliveries.

              Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                Watch China wait until the war is over and make a deal with Iran to allow passage for all yuan-denominated oil deliveries.

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                #1079

                @jon-nyc said:

                Watch China wait until the war is over and make a deal with Iran to allow passage for all yuan-denominated oil deliveries.

                Possible. If so this Iran “excursion” will go down in history as Trump’s Folly.

                Elbows up!

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                • MikM Offline
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                  A piece on Iran's water problems.

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-s-quiet-countdown-to-collapse/vi-AA1U6YRl

                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                    #1081

                    Recovered.

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                      Great news a blessing for the holiday

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                        everyone here extremely relieved.

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                        • jon-nycJ Offline
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                          They’ll be making a movie out of this.

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                            Found via the CIA’s “unique capabilities”

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                              AndyD
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                              #1086

                              Great news indeed, an impressive military action.

                              Though losing two helicopters and another plane in the process implies/proves that low level flight over Iran is a high risk, presumably from shoulder launched missiles?

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                                Detailed timeline

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                                  Truth social just now

                                  Tuesday will be Power Plant Day, and Bridge Day, all wrapped up in one, in Iran. There will be nothing like it!!! Open the Fuckin’ Strait, you crazy bastards, or you’ll be living in Hell - JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah. President DONALD J. TRUMP

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                                    Happy Easter! It’s a real message, too.

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                                    • MikM Offline
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                                      Is that the pot and the kettle?

                                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                        He forgot to wish them a happy Easter

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                                          Prime time, too.

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