The Iran Nuclear Program thread

[Renauda]

@Mik

A lot to unpack in that article. Shows that a person can still wholeheartedly support Israel but remain sceptical and even oppose Netanyahu’s governing coalition.

[Mik]

There sure was, and it's a perspective we don't usually find here.

[Horace]

@LuFins-Dad said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

So it’s been 48 hours since the night that was supposed to be remembered for centuries….

[Horace]

@Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

This is a really interesting op-ed from an Israeli journalist, obviously not a fan of Netanyahu. But he presents some worthwhile observations and possibilities.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/netanyahu-s-iran-endgame-is-edging-closer/ar-AA1H1be5

From the op-ed:

And then there’s a wildcard unique to the Iran situation. Even this very dire but familiar scenario relies on the assumption that Israel and America really do know everything about Iran’s nuclear programme and that there wasn’t an emergency, undeclared backup stash of materials and a secret cadre. If there was, and even some of it survives, there will still be a race for the bomb — except the bomb, or bombs, will appear in a fractured, unstable, justifiably paranoid region in a state of civil war. An entirely new nightmare with consequences far beyond Netanyahu and Trump’s terms, or even lifetimes.

That seems obvious, but I agree it's not said out loud much.

[Renauda]

@Horace

That seems obvious, but I agree it's not said out loud much.

It would be what Donald Rumsfeld termed a “known unknown”.

Nobody in the know likes to conjecture those in public.

[jon-nyc]

The Mossad stole 100k documents out of a warehouse that completely documented the program. Problem is, Iran knows that. Some things are hard to change though, especially under-mountain architecture and reactor locations.

[jon-nyc]

This is interesting to watch, just to see where the heads of this faction of Maga are at. He's proposing a deal where Israel and Iran both give up their nukes.

[Mik]

Yeah, that’s a non-starter. Israel wants peace with all. Iran’s is death to everyone but us. There’s no equivalence to be found.

[jon-nyc]

Interesting but probably assumes the IRGC retains power after the assassination.

[jon-nyc]

Does it mean anything? I don’t know. But here it is.

[jon-nyc]

Trump posted this.

[jon-nyc]

This magat is a JD Vance favorite and a frequent TuCa guest.

[jon-nyc]

Jesus no.

[Doctor Phibes]

[jon-nyc]

If you’re cold, they’re cold. Bring them inside.

[Mik]

To use a nuke to prevent nukes would be the height of hypocrisy.

[AndyD]

@Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

To use a nuke to prevent nukes would be the height of hypocrisy.

That's an interesting statement. It must surely depend on intent?
Batant aggression, self defence etc.

When a person intends to kill you, has said so, written their intention for all to see, and is fastening a blade to a broom handle in order to kill you, is it wrong for you to use your spear to defend yourself preemptively?

And in our case we would only be destroying their spear making capabilities. In the hope that they could eventually change. Maybe spend the billions on agriculture instead of spears.

[kluurs]

@Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

Israel wants peace

Many (most?) Israeli's do - BUT just as in America, there are some very powerful and influential Israelis who want that PLUS a lot of land and more. Israel, like he US, has some significant parts of its population who have very different (contradictory) objectives.

[jon-nyc]

@AndyD

As fragile as it might have been at times, there’s a clear unwritten rule since 1945 that you don’t use nukes.

How long after we did would Putin?

[Mik]

Not going to happen until someone has their back against the wall.

See “offramp”.