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The Epstein File

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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote last edited by Mik
    #373

    I have no issue with criticizing Trump. I do lots of it myself. But repeating nonsense like he paid Stormy Daniels more than taxes is provably untrue. He banned Epstein from his club prior to his arrest and Epstein socialized with pretty much everyone in higher society. The criminal fraud conviction was a fraud in itself.

    Don't let your hatred of the man distort your viewpoint. It cheapens your argument.

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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      AndyD
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      #374

      Oh come on Mik, it's recorded he paid Stormy$130k.
      The NYTimes recorded how much tax he paid over years.

      It's laughable what he gets away with. The couple claimed $70k and $100k in a year for their hairdressing as business expenses. Tip of iceberg when you read about his business dealings
      Ultimately you pay towards his fraud.

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      • MikM Offline
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        The Times cherry picked the years they wanted to. In 2005 he paid $38 million in income taxes. In some years he paid no income tax, but he paid lots in property and other taxes. your assertion is cherry-picked and ludicrous. You are blinded by hate. But then you're not alone in that.

        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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        • HoraceH Offline
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          Horace
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          #376

          To think that Trump is special amongst wealthy people in legally paying as little in tax as possible, is probably not reality. One can dunk on Trump as being especially egregious for some things, but finding legal ways to reduce taxes isn't one of them.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • MikM Mik

            The Times cherry picked the years they wanted to. In 2005 he paid $38 million in income taxes. In some years he paid no income tax, but he paid lots in property and other taxes. your assertion is cherry-picked and ludicrous. You are blinded by hate. But then you're not alone in that.

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            Renauda
            wrote last edited by Renauda
            #377

            @Mik

            You are blinded by hate. But then you're not alone in that.

            Indeed Andy is not alone in that.

            While Americans can love, like, dislike or hate Trump in various degrees their view is tempered one way or another by the US Constitution and his role in elected office as President. On the other hand those of us, like Andy and I, on the outside of the US who have been collectively and adversely affected by his policies, whose country has been maligned by his bald face lies and threats we all hate or loathe him untempered and in ways peculiar to our individual national identities. We believe him to be a disgrace in every manner. Quite unfit for the responsibility and authority the Constitution gives him to perform his duties of office.

            Elbows up!

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            • MikM Offline
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              wrote last edited by
              #378

              I have no issue until that emotional kneejerk reaction causes one to spout demonstrably false mythical talking points. As I said, there's plenty to criticize, but nothing is as black and white as one side would have you believe.

              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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              • MikM Mik

                The Times cherry picked the years they wanted to. In 2005 he paid $38 million in income taxes. In some years he paid no income tax, but he paid lots in property and other taxes. your assertion is cherry-picked and ludicrous. You are blinded by hate. But then you're not alone in that.

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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote last edited by
                #379

                @Mik said in The Epstein File:

                You are blinded by hate. But then you're not alone in that.

                Maybe we're not the actual problem here.

                I'm sure I'm not the only one getting a little tired of being told that I'm the one who's deranged, when it's quite clear where most of the derangement lies.

                I was only joking

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                • MikM Offline
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                  wrote last edited by
                  #380

                  English solidarity 😁

                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  • MikM Mik

                    English solidarity 😁

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                    Doctor Phibes
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                    #381

                    @Mik said in The Epstein File:

                    English solidarity 😁

                    To be honest, my Canadian citizenship is considerably more appealing at this stage, based on what's going on across the pond.

                    I was only joking

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      @Mik said in The Epstein File:

                      English solidarity 😁

                      To be honest, my Canadian citizenship is considerably more appealing at this stage, based on what's going on across the pond.

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                      Renauda
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                      #382

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in The Epstein File:

                      @Mik said in The Epstein File:

                      English solidarity 😁

                      To be honest, my Canadian citizenship is considerably more appealing at this stage, based on what's going on across the pond.

                      Elbows up!

                      Elbows up!

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                        #383

                        Former Obama white house counsel and current top lawyer for Goldman Sachs resigns over having her personal friendship with Epstein revealed in the latest document dump.

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kathy-ruemmler-top-goldman-sachs-lawyer-resigning-amid-epstein-fallout/ar-AA1WftJE?ocid=BingNewsSerp

                        I guess the usual suspects may relax their non-disprovable demands that everybody who had such close association with him must also have participated in the debauchery. Just this once, they'll relax that demand.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • HoraceH Horace

                          Former Obama white house counsel and current top lawyer for Goldman Sachs resigns over having her personal friendship with Epstein revealed in the latest document dump.

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kathy-ruemmler-top-goldman-sachs-lawyer-resigning-amid-epstein-fallout/ar-AA1WftJE?ocid=BingNewsSerp

                          I guess the usual suspects may relax their non-disprovable demands that everybody who had such close association with him must also have participated in the debauchery. Just this once, they'll relax that demand.

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                          Doctor Phibes
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                          @Horace said in The Epstein File:

                          I guess the usual suspects may relax their non-disprovable demands that everybody who had such close association with him must also have participated in the debauchery.

                          I rather doubt that Nutlick got involved with the debauchery, however he clearly lied about his relationship with a convicted sex-offender.

                          Peter Mandelson has lost his job over this, as has Andrew Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

                          Why has nothing happened to any of Trump's little group of ne'er-do-wells?

                          I was only joking

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                            #385

                            I freely admit to a strong dislike of the man, a convicted criminal and man who thinks mostly of what he can do for himself in the short term at the expense of many others and any consideration for the long term.

                            It's not that I'm a left winger, Tony Blair is top of my list of disliked PM politicians, along with Cameron. I liked Boris though he was rubbish.

                            It's not just whether you like or dislike a politician. It's what they do. Trump is an awful man and an awful political representative.
                            Though I am pleased he supported Israel, pretty much everything else make my eyes roll.

                            We need to make a list of all the good things he's done for the US in the last year:

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                              AndyD
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                              #386

                              As for the E files, only the young girls' names ought to have been redacted.

                              Epstein was a smiling monster, grooming, promising, moving, threatening, using young girls.
                              It's traumatic for them to recall their youthful past.

                              As for Maxwell withholding testimony to bargain, well, for the hurt she has knowingly inflicted on so many, I'd give her life imprisonment without appeal, until and unless she fully confesses everything and gives full details.
                              Only then reconsider her sentence length when she has proven some repentance.

                              It's all going to drag on for years, while various people resign and Trump doesn't, even as we wonder just how friendly Epstein was with the Russians.

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                                #387

                                OK, this is getting crazy. I'd like to bring a bit of sanity back to the discussion.

                                Here you go, and thank you for your attention to this matter....

                                image.png

                                I was only joking

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                                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                  OK, this is getting crazy. I'd like to bring a bit of sanity back to the discussion.

                                  Here you go, and thank you for your attention to this matter....

                                  image.png

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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  #388

                                  @Doctor-Phibes

                                  The fuck is wrong with you. You are so deranged, D’Oh.

                                  The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                                    #389

                                    Trump makes our TV soaps seem dull.
                                    You couldn't write this stuff...

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                                      #390

                                      But the Dow is up 50,000 dollars!

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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        The Dow. lol. He’s so fucking old.

                                        The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                                          #392

                                          This too will pass. one way or another. Trump, I mean.

                                          The only things we have really learned from the Epstein debacle is that he and his guests did not spend all their time in debauchery and prosecuting them would be damn difficult.

                                          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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