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  • C Copper
    27 Feb 2025, 19:25

    @Jolly said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

    Are there any Trump opponents, on this board or in public

    I guess it's possible, but not likely.

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    Jolly
    wrote on 27 Feb 2025, 21:57 last edited by
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    @Copper said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

    @Jolly said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

    Are there any Trump opponents, on this board or in public

    I guess it's possible, but not likely.

    Ain't been any ideas from our resident geniuses, has it? 😄

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      Horace
      wrote on 27 Feb 2025, 22:09 last edited by
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      Jon and Renauda are on team Escalate, but without actual danger of nuclear conflict. Renauda would first prefer that Russia establishes its unwillingness to negotiate a peace deal. Of course I do not presume to speak for either of them, but that is my understanding.

      Education is extremely important.

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        Renauda
        wrote on 27 Feb 2025, 22:18 last edited by Renauda
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        Horace, I am sure that the y’all cock of the walk, Beauregard Foghorn, is fully capable of reading my posts but only if he were to grow a pair of cojones and remove the cowardly block he is pretending to hide behind. I will however continue to call out his bullshit and gossip as I see fit, and at my choosing. Same goes for the trite huckleberry troll.

        Elbows up!

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          taiwan_girl
          wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 01:41 last edited by
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          Since TNCR loves a good conspiracy theory, here is one: President Trump was recruited as a Soviet spy back in 1987

          https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/russia-recruit-donald-trump-as-agent-krasnov-a-kgb-spy-35-years-ago-alnur-mussayev-soviet-intelligence-2685175-2025-02-25

          The USSR reportedly recruited Donald Trump as a KGB agent in 1987, a former Soviet Intelligence officer has claimed. This officer, Alnur Mussayev, was the head of the Kazakhstan's National Security Committee. Mussayev said his job was to recruit "businessmen from capitalist countries" and claimed that Trump was one of his recruits. The now-US President was then a 40-year-old New York real estate developer.

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            Horace
            wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 02:07 last edited by
            #166

            That checks out.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • H Horace
              28 Feb 2025, 02:07

              That checks out.

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              taiwan_girl
              wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 02:10 last edited by
              #167

              @Horace LOL

              I would rank it up with the "stolen election" conspiracy". 555

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                xenon
                wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 02:15 last edited by
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                I’ve completely lost the plot on what we’re trying to do in Ukraine now.

                Do we just want our money back? (I don’t think so)

                Do we want the war to end for humanitarian reasons? (We don’t care about all wars in the world, so this can’t be the only thing)

                Do we think we there’s a risk of nuclear escalation with Russia? (Sure, but they did support the opposite side as us when the Syria war was going on)

                I could understand the old stance - don’t appease Russia, don’t let countries capture land through conquest.

                I don’t understand what the current goal is. I’m not even debating what’s right or wrong. I really don’t get the objective.

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                • X xenon
                  28 Feb 2025, 02:15

                  I’ve completely lost the plot on what we’re trying to do in Ukraine now.

                  Do we just want our money back? (I don’t think so)

                  Do we want the war to end for humanitarian reasons? (We don’t care about all wars in the world, so this can’t be the only thing)

                  Do we think we there’s a risk of nuclear escalation with Russia? (Sure, but they did support the opposite side as us when the Syria war was going on)

                  I could understand the old stance - don’t appease Russia, don’t let countries capture land through conquest.

                  I don’t understand what the current goal is. I’m not even debating what’s right or wrong. I really don’t get the objective.

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                  Horace
                  wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 02:49 last edited by
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                  @xenon said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

                  I could understand the old stance - don’t appease Russia, don’t let countries capture land through conquest.

                  Except we were letting Russia capture land through conquest. Not letting them, would have required military escalation.

                  Maybe such escalation could exist without any threat of nuclear war. Doesn't seem like that's a provable claim either way, though.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    xenon
                    wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 02:57 last edited by
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                    Our objective and how well we lived up to it are two different things.

                    I don’t understand what our current objective is.

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                      Horace
                      wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 03:01 last edited by
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                      Trump has mentioned once or twice that he would like to end the conflict.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                        xenon
                        wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 03:30 last edited by xenon
                        #172

                        He has. But I don’t know why. Money? It might goad Russia into attacking us? Humanitarian/moral aversion to war? The world is not our problem?

                        If it’s the last one - we should drastically remake our military.

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                        • X xenon
                          28 Feb 2025, 03:30

                          He has. But I don’t know why. Money? It might goad Russia into attacking us? Humanitarian/moral aversion to war? The world is not our problem?

                          If it’s the last one - we should drastically remake our military.

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 03:40 last edited by
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                          @xenon said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

                          If it’s the last one - we should drastically remake our military.

                          I think you're going to get your wish...

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • H Horace
                            28 Feb 2025, 02:49

                            @xenon said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

                            I could understand the old stance - don’t appease Russia, don’t let countries capture land through conquest.

                            Except we were letting Russia capture land through conquest. Not letting them, would have required military escalation.

                            Maybe such escalation could exist without any threat of nuclear war. Doesn't seem like that's a provable claim either way, though.

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 03:41 last edited by Renauda
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                            @Horace

                            Maybe such escalation could exist without any threat of nuclear war. Doesn't seem like that's a provable claim either way, though.

                            You’re right. It’s not. However the doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) backed up with a reciprocal policy of maintaining a credible deterrence has kept any use of nukes in check between nuclear powers. Both Russia and the US adhere to the principles of nuclear deterrence developed in the Cold War. Crossing the nuclear threshold is always regarded as a last resort deployment. We used to call it thinking the unthinkable.

                            Elbows up!

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 00:37 last edited by jon-nyc 3 Jan 2025, 00:46
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                              Not even allowed to plan. This isn’t appeasement, it’s straight up surrender.

                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                              -Cormac McCarthy

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                                Axtremus
                                wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 02:19 last edited by
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                                The Trump administration loves Putin. They really, really love him!

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                                • J jon-nyc
                                  1 Mar 2025, 00:37

                                  Not even allowed to plan. This isn’t appeasement, it’s straight up surrender.

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 03:26 last edited by Renauda 3 Jan 2025, 05:39
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                                  @jon-nyc

                                  Not even allowed to plan. This isn’t appeasement, it’s straight up surrender.

                                  Unless that stand down order extends to NSA and SIGINT I don’t think it is at all significant in terms of security. From what I can tell as is, it only eliminates a level of unnecessary redundancy more than adequately covered by the other two.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 09:01 last edited by
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                                    Glad to hear that.

                                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                                      AndyD
                                      wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 09:26 last edited by
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                                      Perhaps the UK could poach them to work for us. Russians hacked our NHS only seven months ago

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                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 12:45 last edited by
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                                        Like the leftists used to say about Stalin, Andy, Putin is just misunderstood. You just have to stop threatening him.

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                          xenon
                                          wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 15:49 last edited by
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                                          I guess we’ll see what happens. Trump said he’d get the war stopped in a day. I’d be fine with 6 months.

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