Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky

[Jolly]

Are there any Trump opponents, on this board or in public, that have a workable plan to end the Ukraine War?

[jon-nyc]

“If you’re not personally in possession of a war plan that will result in Ukrainian victory you have no right to criticize Trump for switching sides and capitulating completely to Putin’s demands”

[Horace]

It's hilarious you post stuff like that with a straight face, while wailing for your fainting couch if anybody restates anything you write, with any slightly different words. Your ideas are simply too precious to be filtered through other human minds, but other people's points? Let's just swallow them without chewing, shit them out, and fling them on the board.

[jon-nyc]

It’s a slight exaggeration but I got the gist of it. It’s Maga Panglossianism. It’s hard to defend his decisions per se, so you make the case it’s the best possible world.

[Renauda]

@Jolly said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

Are there any Trump opponents, on this board or in public, that have a workable plan to end the Ukraine War?

Ask Putin that question not us.

But then you have nothing to say of any consequence on the matter anyway just like the rest of us here.

In the meantime, Foghorn, just keep on roostering crowing away on your perch.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc Or many of us (including many outside of this board in the mainstream who don't happen to have diseased cognition regarding all things Trump) recognize the path we were on under Biden, and where it was inexorably leading. We also recognize a change under Trump, and a welcome ambiguity about where this actually ends up.

[Copper]

@Jolly said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

Are there any Trump opponents, on this board or in public

I guess it's possible, but not likely.

[Renauda]

One more time….

Told ya so, and not just once or twice in past year or more:

The Kremlin on Thursday ruled out relinquishing control of Ukrainian regions it claims to have annexed, setting a major red line as Russian and U.S. officials met in Istanbul for talks aimed at normalizing relations.

"The territories that have become subjects of the Russian Federation, which are inscribed in our country's constitution, are an inseparable part of our country," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters.

"This is undeniable and non-negotiable," he said during a daily briefing.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/02/27/kremlin-rules-out-returning-annexed-ukrainian-regions-in-future-peace-talks-a88193

Marco Rubio has my full sympathy.

[Jolly]

@Copper said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

@Jolly said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

Are there any Trump opponents, on this board or in public

I guess it's possible, but not likely.

Ain't been any ideas from our resident geniuses, has it?

[Horace]

Jon and Renauda are on team Escalate, but without actual danger of nuclear conflict. Renauda would first prefer that Russia establishes its unwillingness to negotiate a peace deal. Of course I do not presume to speak for either of them, but that is my understanding.

[Renauda]

Horace, I am sure that the y’all cock of the walk, Beauregard Foghorn, is fully capable of reading my posts but only if he were to grow a pair of cojones and remove the cowardly block he is pretending to hide behind. I will however continue to call out his bullshit and gossip as I see fit, and at my choosing. Same goes for the trite huckleberry troll.

[taiwan_girl]

Since TNCR loves a good conspiracy theory, here is one: President Trump was recruited as a Soviet spy back in 1987

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/russia-recruit-donald-trump-as-agent-krasnov-a-kgb-spy-35-years-ago-alnur-mussayev-soviet-intelligence-2685175-2025-02-25

The USSR reportedly recruited Donald Trump as a KGB agent in 1987, a former Soviet Intelligence officer has claimed. This officer, Alnur Mussayev, was the head of the Kazakhstan's National Security Committee. Mussayev said his job was to recruit "businessmen from capitalist countries" and claimed that Trump was one of his recruits. The now-US President was then a 40-year-old New York real estate developer.

[Horace]

That checks out.

[taiwan_girl]

@Horace LOL

I would rank it up with the "stolen election" conspiracy". 555

[xenon]

I’ve completely lost the plot on what we’re trying to do in Ukraine now.

Do we just want our money back? (I don’t think so)

Do we want the war to end for humanitarian reasons? (We don’t care about all wars in the world, so this can’t be the only thing)

Do we think we there’s a risk of nuclear escalation with Russia? (Sure, but they did support the opposite side as us when the Syria war was going on)

I could understand the old stance - don’t appease Russia, don’t let countries capture land through conquest.

I don’t understand what the current goal is. I’m not even debating what’s right or wrong. I really don’t get the objective.

[Horace]

@xenon said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

I could understand the old stance - don’t appease Russia, don’t let countries capture land through conquest.

Except we were letting Russia capture land through conquest. Not letting them, would have required military escalation.

Maybe such escalation could exist without any threat of nuclear war. Doesn't seem like that's a provable claim either way, though.

[xenon]

Our objective and how well we lived up to it are two different things.

I don’t understand what our current objective is.

[Horace]

Trump has mentioned once or twice that he would like to end the conflict.

[xenon]

He has. But I don’t know why. Money? It might goad Russia into attacking us? Humanitarian/moral aversion to war? The world is not our problem?

If it’s the last one - we should drastically remake our military.

[Jolly]

@xenon said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

If it’s the last one - we should drastically remake our military.

I think you're going to get your wish...