Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky

[xenon]

Our objective and how well we lived up to it are two different things.

I don’t understand what our current objective is.

[Horace]

Trump has mentioned once or twice that he would like to end the conflict.

[xenon]

He has. But I don’t know why. Money? It might goad Russia into attacking us? Humanitarian/moral aversion to war? The world is not our problem?

If it’s the last one - we should drastically remake our military.

[Jolly]

@xenon said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

If it’s the last one - we should drastically remake our military.

I think you're going to get your wish...

[Renauda]

@Horace

Maybe such escalation could exist without any threat of nuclear war. Doesn't seem like that's a provable claim either way, though.

You’re right. It’s not. However the doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) backed up with a reciprocal policy of maintaining a credible deterrence has kept any use of nukes in check between nuclear powers. Both Russia and the US adhere to the principles of nuclear deterrence developed in the Cold War. Crossing the nuclear threshold is always regarded as a last resort deployment. We used to call it thinking the unthinkable.

[jon-nyc]

Not even allowed to plan. This isn’t appeasement, it’s straight up surrender.

[Axtremus]

The Trump administration loves Putin. They really, really love him!

[Renauda]

@jon-nyc

Not even allowed to plan. This isn’t appeasement, it’s straight up surrender.

Unless that stand down order extends to NSA and SIGINT I don’t think it is at all significant in terms of security. From what I can tell as is, it only eliminates a level of unnecessary redundancy more than adequately covered by the other two.

[jon-nyc]

Glad to hear that.

[AndyD]

Perhaps the UK could poach them to work for us. Russians hacked our NHS only seven months ago

[jon-nyc]

Like the leftists used to say about Stalin, Andy, Putin is just misunderstood. You just have to stop threatening him.

[xenon]

I guess we’ll see what happens. Trump said he’d get the war stopped in a day. I’d be fine with 6 months.

[LuFins Dad]

I’m wondering if his plan to end the war is by invading Ukraine, ourselves?

[Renauda]

@LuFins-Dad

I’m wondering if his plan to end the war is by invading Ukraine, ourselves?

Interesting question. It could very well be since Trump speaks of sending American miners and oil patch roughnecks to Ukraine ostensibly as human shields against future aggression from Russia. If true, both the logic and morality seem strange and borne of a bygone era. It suggests that Ukrainian and Russian lives are of little or no value to him but American material interests on Ukraine’s territory in the form of natural resources are of great value and worth to defend militarily.

[kluurs]

Ukraine could still become our 51st state.

[Renauda]

@kluurs

Better them than us.

[LuFins Dad]

If Russia took Ukraine, the EU would probably really appreciate having a strong US military based in Greenland… Just saying…

[LuFins Dad]

@kluurs said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

Ukraine could still become our 51st state.

And as a bonus, it wouldn’t be a part of NATO…

[LuFins Dad]

@Jolly said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

Are there any Trump opponents, on this board or in public, that have a workable plan to end the Ukraine War?

Remember when we conservatives used to look for answers on winning the war?

[Renauda]

@LuFins-Dad said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

If Russia took Ukraine, the EU would probably really appreciate having a strong US military based in Greenland… Just saying…

Not really. In fact not at all. Gaza is by far a more strategically suitable location for a massive multi force US strategic military facility. One could make a whole list of rock solid and bullet proof reasons supporting that claim. It also appears quite attainable in the short run. Possibly even before the beginning of summer.