Department of Education
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Sure, I guess he has a point. We could probably improve results by abolishing it. Let the states be laboratories of better ideas.
The greatest enemy will always be the idea of formal education supremacy. Where people put through identical formal education will come out with identical skills. Every rational and true argument against that idea quickly leads to ideas that are off-limits reputationally. So, there's no defeating it in the public square. Formal education will remain our ultimate answer to questions of disparity of outcome, and it will remain an inadequate answer.
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Sure, I guess he has a point. We could probably improve results by abolishing it. Let the states be laboratories of better ideas.
The greatest enemy will always be the idea of formal education supremacy. Where people put through identical formal education will come out with identical skills. Every rational and true argument against that idea quickly leads to ideas that are off-limits reputationally. So, there's no defeating it in the public square. Formal education will remain our ultimate answer to questions of disparity of outcome, and it will remain an inadequate answer.
Let the states be laboratories of better ideas
That’s exactly how our federal system here works with K - 12 education. Strictly under provincial jurisdiction, no dedicated federal funding, oversight or meddling. Constitutionally out of bounds for the feds.
We’d be more than happy to share the blueprint with Washington. That’s what good neighbours and partners do.
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The department was founded in the 1860s, functions moved to the Department of Interior shortly afterward. Eisenhower moved it to the Department of Health, Education and Welfare (HEW) in the 50 as part of a broader reorganization. They then spun it out of HEW to become a standalone department again in 1979 and renamed the rest of HEW as Health and Human Services. Guys my age and older here remember HEW.
Re its future, go through the functions it serves, decide which are worth saving and which not and act accordingly. Of course the functions they save (and 100% there will be some) they will want to move to another department because their base won’t follow the details, they’ll only know if they close the department or not.
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The department was founded in the 1860s, functions moved to the Department of Interior shortly afterward. Eisenhower moved it to the Department of Health, Education and Welfare (HEW) in the 50 as part of a broader reorganization. They then spun it out of HEW to become a standalone department again in 1979 and renamed the rest of HEW as Health and Human Services. Guys my age and older here remember HEW.
Re its future, go through the functions it serves, decide which are worth saving and which not and act accordingly. Of course the functions they save (and 100% there will be some) they will want to move to another department because their base won’t follow the details, they’ll only know if they close the department or not.
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Let’s do a really obvious example. You probably want someone in government to continue to service existing student loans, even if you abolish new ones. Re the latter, good luck getting moderates on board with abolishing Pell grants and student loans completely (though I could see them reigning them in and support that myself)
So it really is a function-by-function analysis.
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@Axtremus said in Department of Education:
@Mik said in Department of Education:
Let it be local and not let the federal tentacles in.
Why?
If you knew anyone close who worked in public education you’d know.
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I'm not educated enough to really have an opinion, ironically. I do think a function by function analysis makes sense (and honestly is the only way it'll happen, if at all). Either way, it seems there can be a big improvement on learning standards, culture, and curriculum.
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Big whoop.
Overall, it's about 10%. Keep the money in block grants, kill a lot of the rules which result in an army of paper shufflers at the local and state level, set some national goals and get out of the way.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Big whoop.
Overall, it's about 10%. Keep the money in block grants, kill a lot of the rules which result in an army of paper shufflers at the local and state level, set some national goals and get out of the way.
@Jolly I dont disagree, but I dont know enough about that department to make any intelligent comments. (but I guess that has never stop me before 5555)
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@Jolly I dont disagree, but I dont know enough about that department to make any intelligent comments. (but I guess that has never stop me before 5555)
@taiwan_girl said in Department of Education:
@Jolly I dont disagree, but I dont know enough about that department to make any intelligent comments. (but I guess that has never stop
meanybody on the forum before 5555)FIFY
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@taiwan_girl said in Department of Education:
@Jolly I dont disagree, but I dont know enough about that department to make any intelligent comments. (but I guess that has never stop
meanybody on the forum before 5555)FIFY
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Big whoop.
Overall, it's about 10%. Keep the money in block grants, kill a lot of the rules which result in an army of paper shufflers at the local and state level, set some national goals and get out of the way.
@Jolly said in Department of Education:
Big whoop.
Overall, it's about 10%. Keep the money in block grants, kill a lot of the rules which result in an army of paper shufflers at the local and state level, set some national goals and get out of the way.
Completely agree. Get the federal tentacles out of the schools. Federal money is very much like the pusher giving you enough free dope to get you addicted. then the price goes up.
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Here’s the deal. You want education to improve? Have 50 departments trying different things rather than 1 dictating for everybody.
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No Child Left Behind.
Sadly, some children aren't of normal intelligence. Inclusion slows things down.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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No Child Left Behind.
Sadly, some children aren't of normal intelligence. Inclusion slows things down.
@Jolly said in Department of Education:
No Child Left Behind.
Sadly, some children aren't of normal intelligence. Inclusion slows things down.
At least around here, I believe it led to a number of kids getting designated as being special needs. Whether it was 'developmental delays' or thrown under the 'autism spectrum' umbrella, it was a way for school systems to not get penalized for having kids not hitting certain achievements.
So a kid who was borderline could end up spending half (or more) of his day in a room with students who were non-verbal. Instead of that kid getting the work needed to catch up to peers--they'd now have their own IEP, that would frequently take them down a few notches from their potential. Unless there were a couple very involved parents.
