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  • MikM Offline
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    It’s a local issue. Let it be local and not let the federal tentacles in.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      The department was founded in the 1860s, functions moved to the Department of Interior shortly afterward. Eisenhower moved it to the Department of Health, Education and Welfare (HEW) in the 50 as part of a broader reorganization. They then spun it out of HEW to become a standalone department again in 1979 and renamed the rest of HEW as Health and Human Services. Guys my age and older here remember HEW.

      Re its future, go through the functions it serves, decide which are worth saving and which not and act accordingly. Of course the functions they save (and 100% there will be some) they will want to move to another department because their base won’t follow the details, they’ll only know if they close the department or not.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        The department was founded in the 1860s, functions moved to the Department of Interior shortly afterward. Eisenhower moved it to the Department of Health, Education and Welfare (HEW) in the 50 as part of a broader reorganization. They then spun it out of HEW to become a standalone department again in 1979 and renamed the rest of HEW as Health and Human Services. Guys my age and older here remember HEW.

        Re its future, go through the functions it serves, decide which are worth saving and which not and act accordingly. Of course the functions they save (and 100% there will be some) they will want to move to another department because their base won’t follow the details, they’ll only know if they close the department or not.

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        @jon-nyc An executive summary that the office has been abolished will continue to be meaningful. I will follow with interest the details of how meaningful.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • MikM Mik

          It’s a local issue. Let it be local and not let the federal tentacles in.

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          @Mik said in Department of Education:

          Let it be local and not let the federal tentacles in.

          Why?

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            Let’s do a really obvious example. You probably want someone in government to continue to service existing student loans, even if you abolish new ones. Re the latter, good luck getting moderates on board with abolishing Pell grants and student loans completely (though I could see them reigning them in and support that myself)

            So it really is a function-by-function analysis.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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            • AxtremusA Axtremus

              @Mik said in Department of Education:

              Let it be local and not let the federal tentacles in.

              Why?

              MikM Offline
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              @Axtremus said in Department of Education:

              @Mik said in Department of Education:

              Let it be local and not let the federal tentacles in.

              Why?

              If you knew anyone close who worked in public education you’d know.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                I'm not educated enough to really have an opinion, ironically. I do think a function by function analysis makes sense (and honestly is the only way it'll happen, if at all). Either way, it seems there can be a big improvement on learning standards, culture, and curriculum.

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Big whoop.

                    Overall, it's about 10%. Keep the money in block grants, kill a lot of the rules which result in an army of paper shufflers at the local and state level, set some national goals and get out of the way.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      Big whoop.

                      Overall, it's about 10%. Keep the money in block grants, kill a lot of the rules which result in an army of paper shufflers at the local and state level, set some national goals and get out of the way.

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                      @Jolly I dont disagree, but I dont know enough about that department to make any intelligent comments. (but I guess that has never stop me before 5555)

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                      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                        @Jolly I dont disagree, but I dont know enough about that department to make any intelligent comments. (but I guess that has never stop me before 5555)

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                        @taiwan_girl said in Department of Education:

                        @Jolly I dont disagree, but I dont know enough about that department to make any intelligent comments. (but I guess that has never stop me anybody on the forum before 5555)

                        FIFY

                        The Brad

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                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                          @taiwan_girl said in Department of Education:

                          @Jolly I dont disagree, but I dont know enough about that department to make any intelligent comments. (but I guess that has never stop me anybody on the forum before 5555)

                          FIFY

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                          @LuFins-Dad 😂 😂

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            Big whoop.

                            Overall, it's about 10%. Keep the money in block grants, kill a lot of the rules which result in an army of paper shufflers at the local and state level, set some national goals and get out of the way.

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                            @Jolly said in Department of Education:

                            Big whoop.

                            Overall, it's about 10%. Keep the money in block grants, kill a lot of the rules which result in an army of paper shufflers at the local and state level, set some national goals and get out of the way.

                            Completely agree. Get the federal tentacles out of the schools. Federal money is very much like the pusher giving you enough free dope to get you addicted. then the price goes up.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              Here’s the deal. You want education to improve? Have 50 departments trying different things rather than 1 dictating for everybody.

                              The Brad

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                                Im no expert but I think they backed off national standards. That was a W thing.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                  No Child Left Behind.

                                  Sadly, some children aren't of normal intelligence. Inclusion slows things down.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    Shut it down!

                                    https://www.thefp.com/p/betsy-devos-shut-down-the-department-of-education-trump-elon

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      No Child Left Behind.

                                      Sadly, some children aren't of normal intelligence. Inclusion slows things down.

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                                      @Jolly said in Department of Education:

                                      No Child Left Behind.

                                      Sadly, some children aren't of normal intelligence. Inclusion slows things down.

                                      At least around here, I believe it led to a number of kids getting designated as being special needs. Whether it was 'developmental delays' or thrown under the 'autism spectrum' umbrella, it was a way for school systems to not get penalized for having kids not hitting certain achievements.

                                      So a kid who was borderline could end up spending half (or more) of his day in a room with students who were non-verbal. Instead of that kid getting the work needed to catch up to peers--they'd now have their own IEP, that would frequently take them down a few notches from their potential. Unless there were a couple very involved parents.

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        Shut it down!

                                        https://www.thefp.com/p/betsy-devos-shut-down-the-department-of-education-trump-elon

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                                        @Jolly

                                        She makes the anti-grant case but you watch Trump will keep the grants.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

                                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                          At this point I'm not sure Trump knows exactly what he will do.

                                          It's not like he's running for reelection...

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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