Helicopter Crash in DC

[Jolly]

@89th said in Helicopter Crash in DC:

@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:

I wouldn't give the Washington Compost the time of day. Their bias is well known.

The data is fully exposed, feel free to refute any of them. It's meticulously recorded and fully open source.

Nope. The Compost is a Democrat-friendly rag that never met a Republican they actually liked.

No bueno. Feed that horseshit to somebody who believes it.

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Helicopter Crash in DC:

Maybe give it a rest, guys?

Don't start no shit, unless you want shit started.

One of the very first posts in this thread:

Welcome to Pete Hegseth’s DoD.

[Jolly]

@LuFins-Dad said in Helicopter Crash in DC:

Is there a morbid humor if it turns out that it was the fault of the ATC from REAGAN National Airport?

Turns out, one controller was trying to do the job of two. Maybe he did get the job done. The investigation will find out.

Speaking of the investigation, more things are coming out...The helicopter crew was very experienced, with over 1000 hours in the cockpit of a Blackhawk(yes, one was a woman, if that makes any difference, which I doubt). In other news, they found the Bombardier's black box and they're starting the analysis.

[Mik]

The whole scenario just seems so implausible to me.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Helicopter Crash in DC:

Maybe give it a rest, guys?

Don't start no shit, unless you want shit started.

One of the very first posts in this thread:

Welcome to Pete Hegseth’s DoD.

I said 'guys', plural. I wasn't taking sides.

Obviously, it was a complete waste of time.

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Helicopter Crash in DC:

@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Helicopter Crash in DC:

Maybe give it a rest, guys?

Don't start no shit, unless you want shit started.

One of the very first posts in this thread:

Welcome to Pete Hegseth’s DoD.

I said 'guys', plural. I wasn't taking sides.

Obviously, it was a complete waste of time.

Actually, you're right.

[89th]

@Mik said in Helicopter Crash in DC:

The whole scenario just seems so implausible to me.

It really is, almost like two (slow) bullets hitting in the air. Fluke. Those helicopters fly along the river and then beltway many times per day, usually about 200-300’ up. Normally planes aren’t that altitude except right before landing of course, just seems like a major helicopter pilot error, likely looking for a CRJ en route to the main runway.

[Horace]

It's so unlikely it's difficult to imagine a terrorist or crazy person being able to pull it off intentionally. But what do I know. Planes go pretty slow on landing.

[Copper]

Did either or both aircraft have a traffic information system?

I assume both had it - a system to warn of nearby traffic.

2 pilots in each aircraft should have heard and seen alarms. In order for a collision to occur both pilots at the controls had to ignore the warnings. Or, I guess, they might assume the other guy would fix the problem.

[Jolly]

@Copper said in Helicopter Crash in DC:

Did either or both aircraft have a traffic information system?

I assume both had it - a system to warn of nearby traffic.

2 pilots in each aircraft should have heard and seen alarms. In order for a collision to occur both pilots at the controls had to ignore the warnings. Or, I guess, they might assume the other guy would fix the problem.

A few things more tonight ...

The chopper might have been at 400 feet. That's 200 feet too high for where they were at.

The ATC did not give the chopper pilot a direction to look. There were two Bombardier planes within vision of the helicopter cockpit.

[jon-nyc]

@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:

One of the very first posts in this thread was a formulaic joke that’s been made in hundreds of different threads that no one until yesterday ever took very seriously

[Jolly]

I took it seriously from the get-go.

Everybody occasionally does something inappropriate. Last night was your turn

[jon-nyc]

@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:

One of the very first posts in this thread was a formulaic joke that’s been made in hundreds of different threads that no one ever took very seriously until yesterday and again today

[jon-nyc]

check the date.

Photo because they’ll probably retcon the link.

[jon-nyc]

The “targeted disabilities” link is already dead, but here it is on the way back machine:

[LuFins Dad]

It seems to me that this really has the possibility of being a 3-way cluster… The AA Pilot and crew had to have not responded to proximity alarms or there was a sensor/alarm failure on the plane. The ATC needs to still have been more on the ball, even if the AA Pilot called for a visual approach, and the ATC should have given more clear instructions to the Blackhawk, and probably should have cleared them out of the area. The Blackhawk crew obviously looked at the wrong plane and weren’t aware enough of the approach they were on.

There’s things that can be improved on, here, but it’s also true that sometimes shit happens. Tragic, yes, but not something to go on a crusade over. That’s true on both sides.

[George K]

@LuFins-Dad said in Helicopter Crash in DC:

The AA Pilot and crew had to have not responded to proximity alarms or there was a sensor/alarm failure on the plane.

One pilot commented that TCAS is not all that good in a crowded airspace - too many false alarms.

[jon-nyc]

Maybe it’s time for a DCA DMZ.

[George K]

No idea who this X rando is, but it makes sense.

Grok says: "In summary, while TCAS does not completely stop working at low altitudes, its effectiveness in providing actionable resolution advisories is significantly reduced, focusing more on traffic awareness through TAs (Traffic Advisories)."

[LuFins Dad]