Helicopter Crash in DC
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Very. I actually texted my buddies last night that I figured the spin this morning would be about remote federal workers (e.g., NTSB, FAA) but I guess I was wrong, apparently it was DEI policies (even though the tower and both pilots were white males, as far as I know).
@89th said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
Very. I actually texted my buddies last night that I figured the spin this morning would be about remote federal workers (e.g., NTSB, FAA) but I guess I was wrong, apparently it was DEI policies (even though the tower and both pilots were white males, as far as I know).
Also are we really going there? If there's an accident and there's someone of the wrong color or sex involved we immediately blame them for being incompetent? Can't we, you know, do an investigation first?
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The press conference was pretty gross with Trump jumping the gun and blaming DEI, Pete Buttigieg, etc. Meanwhile, the blame will most likely be with the military aviator(s). Unless the non-advice from the tower to the helicopter that they should "look around and avoid planes" was not up to standard.
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@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
I wouldn't give the Washington Compost the time of day. Their bias is well known.
The data is fully exposed, feel free to refute any of them. It's meticulously recorded and fully open source.
@89th said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
I wouldn't give the Washington Compost the time of day. Their bias is well known.
The data is fully exposed, feel free to refute any of them. It's meticulously recorded and fully open source.
Nope. The Compost is a Democrat-friendly rag that never met a Republican they actually liked.
No bueno. Feed that horseshit to somebody who believes it.
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Maybe give it a rest, guys?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
Maybe give it a rest, guys?
Don't start no shit, unless you want shit started.
One of the very first posts in this thread:
Welcome to Pete Hegseth’s DoD.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Is there a morbid humor if it turns out that it was the fault of the ATC from REAGAN National Airport?
@LuFins-Dad said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
Is there a morbid humor if it turns out that it was the fault of the ATC from REAGAN National Airport?
Turns out, one controller was trying to do the job of two. Maybe he did get the job done. The investigation will find out.
Speaking of the investigation, more things are coming out...The helicopter crew was very experienced, with over 1000 hours in the cockpit of a Blackhawk(yes, one was a woman, if that makes any difference, which I doubt). In other news, they found the Bombardier's black box and they're starting the analysis.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
Maybe give it a rest, guys?
Don't start no shit, unless you want shit started.
One of the very first posts in this thread:
Welcome to Pete Hegseth’s DoD.
@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
Maybe give it a rest, guys?
Don't start no shit, unless you want shit started.
One of the very first posts in this thread:
Welcome to Pete Hegseth’s DoD.
I said 'guys', plural. I wasn't taking sides.
Obviously, it was a complete waste of time.
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@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
Maybe give it a rest, guys?
Don't start no shit, unless you want shit started.
One of the very first posts in this thread:
Welcome to Pete Hegseth’s DoD.
I said 'guys', plural. I wasn't taking sides.
Obviously, it was a complete waste of time.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
Maybe give it a rest, guys?
Don't start no shit, unless you want shit started.
One of the very first posts in this thread:
Welcome to Pete Hegseth’s DoD.
I said 'guys', plural. I wasn't taking sides.
Obviously, it was a complete waste of time.
Actually, you're right.
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@Mik said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
The whole scenario just seems so implausible to me.
It really is, almost like two (slow) bullets hitting in the air. Fluke. Those helicopters fly along the river and then beltway many times per day, usually about 200-300’ up. Normally planes aren’t that altitude except right before landing of course, just seems like a major helicopter pilot error, likely looking for a CRJ en route to the main runway.
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Did either or both aircraft have a traffic information system?
I assume both had it - a system to warn of nearby traffic.
2 pilots in each aircraft should have heard and seen alarms. In order for a collision to occur both pilots at the controls had to ignore the warnings. Or, I guess, they might assume the other guy would fix the problem.
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Did either or both aircraft have a traffic information system?
I assume both had it - a system to warn of nearby traffic.
2 pilots in each aircraft should have heard and seen alarms. In order for a collision to occur both pilots at the controls had to ignore the warnings. Or, I guess, they might assume the other guy would fix the problem.
@Copper said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
Did either or both aircraft have a traffic information system?
I assume both had it - a system to warn of nearby traffic.
2 pilots in each aircraft should have heard and seen alarms. In order for a collision to occur both pilots at the controls had to ignore the warnings. Or, I guess, they might assume the other guy would fix the problem.
A few things more tonight ...
The chopper might have been at 400 feet. That's 200 feet too high for where they were at.
The ATC did not give the chopper pilot a direction to look. There were two Bombardier planes within vision of the helicopter cockpit.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
Maybe give it a rest, guys?
Don't start no shit, unless you want shit started.
One of the very first posts in this thread:
Welcome to Pete Hegseth’s DoD.
@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
One of the very first posts in this thread was a formulaic joke that’s been made in hundreds of different threads that no one until yesterday ever took very seriously
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
One of the very first posts in this thread was a formulaic joke that’s been made in hundreds of different threads that no one until yesterday ever took very seriously
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It seems to me that this really has the possibility of being a 3-way cluster… The AA Pilot and crew had to have not responded to proximity alarms or there was a sensor/alarm failure on the plane. The ATC needs to still have been more on the ball, even if the AA Pilot called for a visual approach, and the ATC should have given more clear instructions to the Blackhawk, and probably should have cleared them out of the area. The Blackhawk crew obviously looked at the wrong plane and weren’t aware enough of the approach they were on.
There’s things that can be improved on, here, but it’s also true that sometimes shit happens. Tragic, yes, but not something to go on a crusade over. That’s true on both sides.
The Brad
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It seems to me that this really has the possibility of being a 3-way cluster… The AA Pilot and crew had to have not responded to proximity alarms or there was a sensor/alarm failure on the plane. The ATC needs to still have been more on the ball, even if the AA Pilot called for a visual approach, and the ATC should have given more clear instructions to the Blackhawk, and probably should have cleared them out of the area. The Blackhawk crew obviously looked at the wrong plane and weren’t aware enough of the approach they were on.
There’s things that can be improved on, here, but it’s also true that sometimes shit happens. Tragic, yes, but not something to go on a crusade over. That’s true on both sides.
@LuFins-Dad said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
The AA Pilot and crew had to have not responded to proximity alarms or there was a sensor/alarm failure on the plane.
One pilot commented that TCAS is not all that good in a crowded airspace - too many false alarms.
