Helicopter Crash in DC
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
Has it occurred to anybody that this could just be a tragic accident caused by a very challenging working environment, and that disabled black lesbians weren't in some way to blame?
I think most aviation experts and most folks here agree it was likely a tragic accident caused by the helicopter pilot not looking left (or looking at the wrong plane). Most likely all key folks here (the two pilots and ATC guy) were all white straight men, too.
wrote on 31 Jan 2025, 16:24 last edited by@89th said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
Has it occurred to anybody that this could just be a tragic accident caused by a very challenging working environment, and that disabled black lesbians weren't in some way to blame?
I think most aviation experts and most folks here agree it was likely a tragic accident caused by the helicopter pilot not looking left (or looking at the wrong plane). Most likely all key folks here (the two pilots and ATC guy) were all white straight men, too.
Wrong. The Blackhawk helicopter pilot was a woman.
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wrote on 31 Jan 2025, 16:33 last edited by
Control the helicopter traffic (or do away with it) and adequately staff the tower.
This ain't rocket surgery.
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@89th said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
Has it occurred to anybody that this could just be a tragic accident caused by a very challenging working environment, and that disabled black lesbians weren't in some way to blame?
I think most aviation experts and most folks here agree it was likely a tragic accident caused by the helicopter pilot not looking left (or looking at the wrong plane). Most likely all key folks here (the two pilots and ATC guy) were all white straight men, too.
Wrong. The Blackhawk helicopter pilot was a woman.
wrote on 31 Jan 2025, 16:43 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@89th said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
Has it occurred to anybody that this could just be a tragic accident caused by a very challenging working environment, and that disabled black lesbians weren't in some way to blame?
I think most aviation experts and most folks here agree it was likely a tragic accident caused by the helicopter pilot not looking left (or looking at the wrong plane). Most likely all key folks here (the two pilots and ATC guy) were all white straight men, too.
Wrong. The Blackhawk helicopter pilot was a woman.
That makes me update my intuitive probabilities away from an intentional act and towards pure accident. I was always leaning strongly that way, but now more strongly.
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Control the helicopter traffic (or do away with it) and adequately staff the tower.
This ain't rocket surgery.
wrote on 31 Jan 2025, 16:45 last edited by@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
Control the helicopter traffic (or do away with it) and adequately staff the tower.
This ain't rocket surgery.
The helicopter traffic will not be going away along that stretch…
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@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
Control the helicopter traffic (or do away with it) and adequately staff the tower.
This ain't rocket surgery.
The helicopter traffic will not be going away along that stretch…
wrote on 31 Jan 2025, 16:51 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
Control the helicopter traffic (or do away with it) and adequately staff the tower.
This ain't rocket surgery.
The helicopter traffic will not be going away along that stretch…
I'm not familiar with the area, but a heliport is not as expensive a fix as expanding an airport. There's no place to move the helicopter traffic?
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wrote on 31 Jan 2025, 16:59 last edited by
The FAA loves to make regulations, they will make some changes based on this event.
But to be honest this event is so rare I'm not sure it should cause a lot of changes, of course we don't have the final report yet.
The FAA requires that Air Traffic Controller (ATC) trainees be 30 years old or younger, max retirement age is 56.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
Control the helicopter traffic (or do away with it) and adequately staff the tower.
This ain't rocket surgery.
The helicopter traffic will not be going away along that stretch…
I'm not familiar with the area, but a heliport is not as expensive a fix as expanding an airport. There's no place to move the helicopter traffic?
wrote on 31 Jan 2025, 17:02 last edited by@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@LuFins-Dad said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
Control the helicopter traffic (or do away with it) and adequately staff the tower.
This ain't rocket surgery.
The helicopter traffic will not be going away along that stretch…
I'm not familiar with the area, but a heliport is not as expensive a fix as expanding an airport. There's no place to move the helicopter traffic?
That heli traffic is there for a reason.
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@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@LuFins-Dad said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
Control the helicopter traffic (or do away with it) and adequately staff the tower.
This ain't rocket surgery.
The helicopter traffic will not be going away along that stretch…
I'm not familiar with the area, but a heliport is not as expensive a fix as expanding an airport. There's no place to move the helicopter traffic?
That heli traffic is there for a reason.
wrote on 31 Jan 2025, 17:06 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
That heli traffic is there for a reason.
Yes, if you try to sneak up on the city in your Cessna by flying below radar down the Potomac from Cabin John, you will meet someone or something that will shoot you down.
I heard this from a guy who put these facilities in place, and he would deny that he ever said a word about it.
I heard this at least 10 years ago, so I'm not sure if it is still in place.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
That heli traffic is there for a reason.
Yes, if you try to sneak up on the city in your Cessna by flying below radar down the Potomac from Cabin John, you will meet someone or something that will shoot you down.
I heard this from a guy who put these facilities in place, and he would deny that he ever said a word about it.
I heard this at least 10 years ago, so I'm not sure if it is still in place.
wrote on 31 Jan 2025, 19:03 last edited by@Copper said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@LuFins-Dad said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
That heli traffic is there for a reason.
Yes, if you try to sneak up on the city in your Cessna by flying below radar down the Potomac from Cabin John, you will meet someone or something that will shoot you down.
I heard this from a guy who put these facilities in place, and he would deny that he ever said a word about it.
I heard this at least 10 years ago, so I'm not sure if it is still in place.
Yeah gotta love the surface to air missile launchers off of Clara Barton parkway, Andrew AFB, etc. Fun to see...somewhat in plain sight. Part of Operation Noble Eagle I believe.
This is a view from the road (I used to drive by every day). See something...?
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wrote on 31 Jan 2025, 19:48 last edited by
That’s interesting.
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wrote on 31 Jan 2025, 19:52 last edited by
The crux of the lawsuit is that the FAA, under the Obama administration, dropped a skill-based system for hiring controllers and replaced it with a “biographical assessment” in an alleged bid to boost the number of minority job applicants.
Anybody who claims to have trouble believing that, is lying. Or really ignorant.
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@Copper said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@LuFins-Dad said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
That heli traffic is there for a reason.
Yes, if you try to sneak up on the city in your Cessna by flying below radar down the Potomac from Cabin John, you will meet someone or something that will shoot you down.
I heard this from a guy who put these facilities in place, and he would deny that he ever said a word about it.
I heard this at least 10 years ago, so I'm not sure if it is still in place.
Yeah gotta love the surface to air missile launchers off of Clara Barton parkway, Andrew AFB, etc. Fun to see...somewhat in plain sight. Part of Operation Noble Eagle I believe.
This is a view from the road (I used to drive by every day). See something...?
wrote on 31 Jan 2025, 20:05 last edited by@89th said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
See something...?
Aimed at commercial flights loaded with innocent bystanders.
Bystanders flying over a densely populated area.
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wrote on 31 Jan 2025, 22:46 last edited by
This was a day before the crash. Notice how “normalized” the helicopter CA (collision alert) are for the inbound planes. I’d imagine it’s been this way for a while and only due to alert helo pilots have they avoided crashing into a plane. There will be major helicopter route standards changed in DC I’m sure of it.
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The crux of the lawsuit is that the FAA, under the Obama administration, dropped a skill-based system for hiring controllers and replaced it with a “biographical assessment” in an alleged bid to boost the number of minority job applicants.
Anybody who claims to have trouble believing that, is lying. Or really ignorant.
wrote on 31 Jan 2025, 23:11 last edited by@Horace said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
The crux of the lawsuit is that the FAA, under the Obama administration, dropped a skill-based system for hiring controllers and replaced it with a “biographical assessment” in an alleged bid to boost the number of minority job applicants.
Anybody who claims to have trouble believing that, is lying. Or really ignorant.
Granted, Trump is a loose cannon, but what if the cannon was pointing in the right direction?
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@Horace said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
The crux of the lawsuit is that the FAA, under the Obama administration, dropped a skill-based system for hiring controllers and replaced it with a “biographical assessment” in an alleged bid to boost the number of minority job applicants.
Anybody who claims to have trouble believing that, is lying. Or really ignorant.
Granted, Trump is a loose cannon, but what if the cannon was pointing in the right direction?
wrote on 31 Jan 2025, 23:45 last edited by@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@Horace said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
The crux of the lawsuit is that the FAA, under the Obama administration, dropped a skill-based system for hiring controllers and replaced it with a “biographical assessment” in an alleged bid to boost the number of minority job applicants.
Anybody who claims to have trouble believing that, is lying. Or really ignorant.
Granted, Trump is a loose cannon, but what if the cannon was pointing in the right direction?
VDH has sufficient respect for Trump that he assumes Trump has some inside information to guide his judgment in blaming DEI. I hope VDH is right. He also notes that Trump risks being a blatant demagogue if he's wrong about that. I guess VDH is one person who might actually lose some respect for Trump over this, if DEI has nothing to do with it.
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wrote on 1 Feb 2025, 01:54 last edited by
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wrote on 1 Feb 2025, 01:58 last edited by
How could Mr. Biden have missed this?
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wrote on 1 Feb 2025, 02:04 last edited by
@Copper said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
How could Mr. Biden have missed this?
In 2023, Biden was already compromised.
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@Copper said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
How could Mr. Biden have missed this?
In 2023, Biden was already compromised.
wrote on 1 Feb 2025, 02:06 last edited by@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
In 2023, Biden was already compromised.
@Jolly you misspelled "asleep".