The federal gravy train hits a hard stop
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wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 16:50 last edited by
I don’t know. Probably part of it. A huge part is more rich people live on blue states so we pay more taxes.
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wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 16:52 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:
When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.
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I don’t know. Probably part of it. A huge part is more rich people live on blue states so we pay more taxes.
wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 16:52 last edited by@jon-nyc Granted. But the statistic about net subsidy to red states takes on a very different pallor if it's agriculture stuff, rather than welfare stuff. Agriculture stuff is shared with the blue states as a necessity for their own existence.
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wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 17:16 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:
When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.
Oh, that makes more sense. The earlier data quoted is very misleading.
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I don’t know. Probably part of it. A huge part is more rich people live on blue states so we pay more taxes.
wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 17:19 last edited by Mik@jon-nyc said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:
I don’t know. Probably part of it. A huge part is more rich people live on blue states so we pay more taxes.
Nonetheless, the debt is red and blue. Comparing it by party isn't going to help us solve the problem.
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wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 17:25 last edited by
True that
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wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 17:49 last edited by
Red states farm, blue states eat.
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wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 18:06 last edited by
@Copper said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:
Red states farm, blue states eat.
I'm pretty sure blue states eat too. Some of them eat a lot.
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wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 18:07 last edited by
I'm pretty sure too-big-for-Lyft girl is a Democrat.
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wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 18:08 last edited by
Largest farm state: California.
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wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 18:08 last edited by Mik
Yeah, but they grow that Democrat food. Y'know, artichokes and almonds and shit. Brussels sprouts.
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wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 18:09 last edited by
Top ten obesity states: All red.
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wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 18:10 last edited by
They grow REAL food. Pigs and cows and shit.
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wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 18:17 last edited by
Probably a dumb question, but does the President have the power to stop federal grants? I'd imagine that would be a legislative branch duty.
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Probably a dumb question, but does the President have the power to stop federal grants? I'd imagine that would be a legislative branch duty.
wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 18:37 last edited by@89th said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:
Probably a dumb question, but does the President have the power to stop federal grants? I'd imagine that would be a legislative branch duty.
Good question. But the legislature has ceded whatever authority it's supposed to have to the executive a few decades ago. Hence all the EOs.
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Probably a dumb question, but does the President have the power to stop federal grants? I'd imagine that would be a legislative branch duty.
wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 18:41 last edited by jon-nyc@89th said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:
Probably a dumb question, but does the President have the power to stop federal grants? I'd imagine that would be a legislative branch duty.
Probably in most cases no. And ignoring these laws harms many identifiable people so standing won’t be an issue. (Contrast that to the TikTok law, where (perhaps) only congress has standing and they’ve chosen to make their branch of government subservient to the executive.)
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@89th said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:
Probably a dumb question, but does the President have the power to stop federal grants? I'd imagine that would be a legislative branch duty.
Good question. But the legislature has ceded whatever authority it's supposed to have to the executive a few decades ago. Hence all the EOs.
wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 18:44 last edited by@George-K said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:
@89th said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:
Probably a dumb question, but does the President have the power to stop federal grants? I'd imagine that would be a legislative branch duty.
Good question. But the legislature has ceded whatever authority it's supposed to have to the executive a few decades ago. Hence all the EOs.
Yeah they're a double-edged sword, depending if you agree with it. For example, restoring biology to the federal government, or ending DEI? Awesome. Stopping NIH funding or declaring an energy emergency? Doesn't add up. I guess I don't blame Trump for using the weapons in his arsenal, but I get a feeling he's sitting at his desk thinking he is king... punishing those disloyal to him (like Bolton, or leadership in OPM), and signing orders that otherwise would run through a due process in the legislature, although that's a whole other quagmire).
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