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The federal gravy train hits a hard stop

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  • MikM Away
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
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    This is interesting. Particularly this line.

    "In Fiscal Year 2024, of the nearly $10 trillion that the Federal Government spent, more than $3 trillion was Federal financial assistance, such as grants and loans,"

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/no-more-government-assistance/ar-AA1y0cTN

    It should be noted that John Kasich did something similar in Ohio. There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth, but in the end it cut spending $8B. A lot of municipalities that only survived off state funding had to either cough up locally or meld into their counties. Funding for local projects needed to be supported more locally rather than OPM.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      In 2021, Montana led the states with the highest proportion of federal funding to the overall budget at 31.8%, followed by New Mexico (30.7%), Kentucky (30.1%), Louisiana (29.8%), and Alaska (29.0%).

      and

      Another way to evaluate reliance on federal funding is on a per-person basis, where federal funding is represented as the average amount a state receives per resident to better illustrate the extent of federal support relative to population.

      Using this metric, Alaska had the highest rate of federal funding in 2021 at roughly $8,628 per person, a whole 26.5% more than the second-highest state, Rhode Island, which received $6,821. They’re followed by New Mexico ($6,748), Wyoming ($6,718), and Delaware ($6,011).

      https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-rely-the-most-on-federal-aid/

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        The per person funding is interesting. New York receives more money per person than Louisiana.

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        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

          In 2021, Montana led the states with the highest proportion of federal funding to the overall budget at 31.8%, followed by New Mexico (30.7%), Kentucky (30.1%), Louisiana (29.8%), and Alaska (29.0%).

          and

          Another way to evaluate reliance on federal funding is on a per-person basis, where federal funding is represented as the average amount a state receives per resident to better illustrate the extent of federal support relative to population.

          Using this metric, Alaska had the highest rate of federal funding in 2021 at roughly $8,628 per person, a whole 26.5% more than the second-highest state, Rhode Island, which received $6,821. They’re followed by New Mexico ($6,748), Wyoming ($6,718), and Delaware ($6,011).

          https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-rely-the-most-on-federal-aid/

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          Doctor Phibes
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          @taiwan_girl said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

          the second-highest state, Rhode Island

          uh oh

          I was only joking

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
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            #5

            When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
            HoraceH taiwan_girlT Doctor PhibesD 3 Replies Last reply
            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

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              Horace
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              @jon-nyc How much of that is due to farm subsidies? The cities have to get their food from somewhere.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • jon-nycJ Online
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                jon-nyc
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                #7

                I don’t know. Probably part of it. A huge part is more rich people live on blue states so we pay more taxes.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

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                  taiwan_girl
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                  @jon-nyc said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

                  When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

                  Top ten

                  New Mexico
                  West Virginia
                  Alaska
                  Mississippi
                  Montana
                  Hawaii
                  Vermont
                  Louisiana
                  Alabama
                  Wyoming

                  Bottom Ten

                  Minnesota
                  New Jersey
                  Delware
                  Illinois
                  Florida
                  Washington
                  S. Dakota
                  Mass
                  Nebraska
                  California

                  https://digg.com/finance/link/states-most-dependent-on-the-federal-government-ranked-59CWzbWb10

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    I don’t know. Probably part of it. A huge part is more rich people live on blue states so we pay more taxes.

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                    @jon-nyc Granted. But the statistic about net subsidy to red states takes on a very different pallor if it's agriculture stuff, rather than welfare stuff. Agriculture stuff is shared with the blue states as a necessity for their own existence.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

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                      Doctor Phibes
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                      @jon-nyc said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

                      When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

                      Oh, that makes more sense. The earlier data quoted is very misleading.

                      I was only joking

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        I don’t know. Probably part of it. A huge part is more rich people live on blue states so we pay more taxes.

                        MikM Away
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                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by Mik
                        #11

                        @jon-nyc said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

                        I don’t know. Probably part of it. A huge part is more rich people live on blue states so we pay more taxes.

                        Nonetheless, the debt is red and blue. Comparing it by party isn't going to help us solve the problem.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          jon-nyc
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                          True that

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                            Red states farm, blue states eat.

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                            • CopperC Copper

                              Red states farm, blue states eat.

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                              Doctor Phibes
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                              @Copper said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

                              Red states farm, blue states eat.

                              I'm pretty sure blue states eat too. Some of them eat a lot.

                              I was only joking

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                              • MikM Away
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                                Mik
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                                I'm pretty sure too-big-for-Lyft girl is a Democrat.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  #16

                                  Largest farm state: California.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                                  • MikM Away
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                                    Mik
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                                    #17

                                    Yeah, but they grow that Democrat food. Y'know, artichokes and almonds and shit. Brussels sprouts.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      Top ten obesity states: All red.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                      • MikM Away
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                                        Mik
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                                        They grow REAL food. Pigs and cows and shit.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • George KG Offline
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                                          Read the thread.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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