The government Elon doesn’t criticize.
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@Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
This should be obvious to you, but let me spell it out.
The issue isn’t “oh no, Elon won’t criticize China!!!!”
The issue is “oh shit, a guy who’s quite beholden to the CCP is Trump’s right hand guy!!!”
Right, Elon, and by extension Trump, is a Chinese asset. Good luck with that.
Strawmanning it is a form of cope.
@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
@Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
This should be obvious to you, but let me spell it out.
The issue isn’t “oh no, Elon won’t criticize China!!!!”
The issue is “oh shit, a guy who’s quite beholden to the CCP is Trump’s right hand guy!!!”
Right, Elon, and by extension Trump, is a Chinese asset. Good luck with that.
To straw man it is a form of cope.
I don't actually believe you even know what you're talking about. If not the implication that Elon, and by extension Trump, are Chinese assets, what exactly are you on about here? Nothing. Oh, now you might grow some capacity to be nuanced and verbal with the word "asset"?
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Seems to me there’s a continuum of influence one entity can have over another and that ‘asset’ would cover one extreme end. But a much broader swath of that spectrum could be concerning, depending on context.
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Seems to me there’s a continuum of influence one entity can have over another and that ‘asset’ would cover one extreme end. But a much broader swath of that spectrum could be concerning, depending on context.
@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
Seems to me there’s a continuum of influence one entity can have over another and that ‘asset’ would cover one extreme end. But a much broader swath of that spectrum could be concerning.
Yeah, the implication that an American citizen should be concerned with Elon having ties to China is the point.
I never misunderstood.
Do I agree? Probably not.
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Yep. The real problem isn’t Elon’s ties with China. It’s Jon.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
QED
Yep. The real problem isn’t Elon’s ties with China. It’s Jon.
I attempted to interact with Jon by trying, with my word skills, to relate with his point. Jon, the mythical jon, just accused me of strawmans. This is what Jon does. Because Jon is almost entirely incapable of interacting with intelligent human beings who can reflect his own thoughts back.
Education is extremely important.
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You two are like an old married couple.
@taiwan_girl said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
You two are like an old married couple.
I love Jon, and I don't know why.
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The reality is you're both right. Elon won't criticize China because he's pragmatic. But it also is a bit of a risk given his influence on Trump. But Trump really only cares about whether moves with China make Trump look powerful and/or are good financially, and Trump will (eventually) dump Elon once their honeymoon romance is over. But yes, both right... Elon is pragmatic, and also a hypocrite.
This makes me also admire Elon, in a way. A story we all know, but the world's richest person, influencing all sorts of governments, all the while revolutionizing: internet payment (PayPal), electric vehicles (Tesla), underground road systems (Boring Company), satellite/worldwide high speed internet (Starlink), kind of social media (gutting Twitter's bloat), and of course space travel and reusable self-landing rockets that'll eventually enable a moon base (Space-X).
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Foxconn had to place nets around one of their manufacturing plants in China, to keep the suicide jumpers from staining the pavement too badly. So, their employees had to resort to slashing their wrists with sharp objects found within the factory.
Or so I'm told...
The Chinese use slave labor. They use multiple forms of forced labor. If one doesn't like it (and I don't), the solution is to buy goods from someone else or tariff Chinese imports.
For businesses trying to gain market share within China (the largest market in the world for some things), it's a constant tightrope between doing what's right and pissing off TPTB.
Tim Cook found that out. Elon has, too.
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Elon is a guy we all have to live with, and it is not our choice. It was his success. As I evaluate him, I am absolutely comfortably with him, as compared to a nameless bureaucrat.
@Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
Elon is a guy we all have to live with, and it is not our choice. It was his success. As I evaluate him, I am absolutely comfortably with him, as compared to a nameless bureaucrat.
Finally, a billionaire who is willing to try and influence governments!
It's about time. George Soros take note.
I was only joking
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@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
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Yep. The real problem isn’t Elon’s ties with China. It’s Jon.
I attempted to interact with Jon by trying, with my word skills, to relate with his point. Jon, the mythical jon, just accused me of strawmans. This is what Jon does. Because Jon is almost entirely incapable of interacting with intelligent human beings who can reflect his own thoughts back.
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@Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
Jon, the mythical jon, just accused me of strawmans.
@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
@Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
Jon, the mythical jon, just accused me of strawmans.
You are more than happy to imply with rhetoric, and then you retreat when confronted with implications. It's motte and bailey, and I actually know you're smart enough to know what that is.
