The government Elon doesn’t criticize.
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As a practical human, is there an actual point to Elon criticizing China? Or should we just imagine a perfectly principled human and how they would act?
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This should be obvious to you, but let me spell it out.
The issue isn’t “oh no, Elon won’t criticize China!!!!”
The issue is “oh shit, a guy who’s quite beholden to the CCP is Trump’s right hand guy!!!”
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This should be obvious to you, but let me spell it out.
The issue isn’t “oh no, Elon won’t criticize China!!!!”
The issue is “oh shit, a guy who’s quite beholden to the CCP is Trump’s right hand guy!!!”
@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
This should be obvious to you, but let me spell it out.
The issue isn’t “oh no, Elon won’t criticize China!!!!”
The issue is “oh shit, a guy who’s quite beholden to the CCP is Trump’s right hand guy!!!”
Right, Elon, and by extension Trump, is a Chinese asset. Good luck with that.
Education is extremely important.
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@Horace Of course, he is a practical person. Understandable.
But, then probably not a good idea to tweet the following
@taiwan_girl said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
@Horace Of course, he is a practical person. Understandable.
But, then probably not a good idea to tweet the following
He shoots from the hip, but as far as shot from the hip principles go, free speech is a good one, IMO.
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@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
This should be obvious to you, but let me spell it out.
The issue isn’t “oh no, Elon won’t criticize China!!!!”
The issue is “oh shit, a guy who’s quite beholden to the CCP is Trump’s right hand guy!!!”
Right, Elon, and by extension Trump, is a Chinese asset. Good luck with that.
@Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
This should be obvious to you, but let me spell it out.
The issue isn’t “oh no, Elon won’t criticize China!!!!”
The issue is “oh shit, a guy who’s quite beholden to the CCP is Trump’s right hand guy!!!”
Right, Elon, and by extension Trump, is a Chinese asset. Good luck with that.
Strawmanning it is a form of cope.
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@Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
This should be obvious to you, but let me spell it out.
The issue isn’t “oh no, Elon won’t criticize China!!!!”
The issue is “oh shit, a guy who’s quite beholden to the CCP is Trump’s right hand guy!!!”
Right, Elon, and by extension Trump, is a Chinese asset. Good luck with that.
Strawmanning it is a form of cope.
@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
@Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
This should be obvious to you, but let me spell it out.
The issue isn’t “oh no, Elon won’t criticize China!!!!”
The issue is “oh shit, a guy who’s quite beholden to the CCP is Trump’s right hand guy!!!”
Right, Elon, and by extension Trump, is a Chinese asset. Good luck with that.
To straw man it is a form of cope.
I don't actually believe you even know what you're talking about. If not the implication that Elon, and by extension Trump, are Chinese assets, what exactly are you on about here? Nothing. Oh, now you might grow some capacity to be nuanced and verbal with the word "asset"?
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Seems to me there’s a continuum of influence one entity can have over another and that ‘asset’ would cover one extreme end. But a much broader swath of that spectrum could be concerning, depending on context.
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Seems to me there’s a continuum of influence one entity can have over another and that ‘asset’ would cover one extreme end. But a much broader swath of that spectrum could be concerning, depending on context.
@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
Seems to me there’s a continuum of influence one entity can have over another and that ‘asset’ would cover one extreme end. But a much broader swath of that spectrum could be concerning.
Yeah, the implication that an American citizen should be concerned with Elon having ties to China is the point.
I never misunderstood.
Do I agree? Probably not.
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QED
Yep. The real problem isn’t Elon’s ties with China. It’s Jon.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
QED
Yep. The real problem isn’t Elon’s ties with China. It’s Jon.
I attempted to interact with Jon by trying, with my word skills, to relate with his point. Jon, the mythical jon, just accused me of strawmans. This is what Jon does. Because Jon is almost entirely incapable of interacting with intelligent human beings who can reflect his own thoughts back.
Education is extremely important.
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You two are like an old married couple.
@taiwan_girl said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
You two are like an old married couple.
I love Jon, and I don't know why.
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The reality is you're both right. Elon won't criticize China because he's pragmatic. But it also is a bit of a risk given his influence on Trump. But Trump really only cares about whether moves with China make Trump look powerful and/or are good financially, and Trump will (eventually) dump Elon once their honeymoon romance is over. But yes, both right... Elon is pragmatic, and also a hypocrite.
This makes me also admire Elon, in a way. A story we all know, but the world's richest person, influencing all sorts of governments, all the while revolutionizing: internet payment (PayPal), electric vehicles (Tesla), underground road systems (Boring Company), satellite/worldwide high speed internet (Starlink), kind of social media (gutting Twitter's bloat), and of course space travel and reusable self-landing rockets that'll eventually enable a moon base (Space-X).
