The government Elon doesn’t criticize.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

Seems to me there’s a continuum of influence one entity can have over another and that ‘asset’ would cover one extreme end. But a much broader swath of that spectrum could be concerning.

Yeah, the implication that an American citizen should be concerned with Elon having ties to China is the point.

I never misunderstood.

Do I agree? Probably not.

[jon-nyc]

That’s a level of dissonance your mind is fully capable of avoiding.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

That’s a layer of dissonance your mind is fully capable of avoiding.

Just a joke at this point. I'm sad for you.

[jon-nyc]

QED

Yep. The real problem isn’t Elon’s ties with China. It’s Jon.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

QED

Good job.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

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Yep. The real problem isn’t Elon’s ties with China. It’s Jon.

I attempted to interact with Jon by trying, with my word skills, to relate with his point. Jon, the mythical jon, just accused me of strawmans. This is what Jon does. Because Jon is almost entirely incapable of interacting with intelligent human beings who can reflect his own thoughts back.

[taiwan_girl]

You two are like an old married couple.

[Horace]

@taiwan_girl said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

You two are like an old married couple.

I love Jon, and I don't know why.

[Doctor Phibes]

[89th]

Is the strawman paper or plastic? This will clearly imply how much you love the earth.

[89th]

The reality is you're both right. Elon won't criticize China because he's pragmatic. But it also is a bit of a risk given his influence on Trump. But Trump really only cares about whether moves with China make Trump look powerful and/or are good financially, and Trump will (eventually) dump Elon once their honeymoon romance is over. But yes, both right... Elon is pragmatic, and also a hypocrite.

This makes me also admire Elon, in a way. A story we all know, but the world's richest person, influencing all sorts of governments, all the while revolutionizing: internet payment (PayPal), electric vehicles (Tesla), underground road systems (Boring Company), satellite/worldwide high speed internet (Starlink), kind of social media (gutting Twitter's bloat), and of course space travel and reusable self-landing rockets that'll eventually enable a moon base (Space-X).

[Horace]

Elon is a guy we all have to live with, and it is not our choice. It was his success. As I evaluate him, I am absolutely comfortably with him, as compared to a nameless bureaucrat.

[89th]

Me too. Overall I'm a fan. Just watch his interview with Don Lemon from a few months ago.

[Jolly]

Foxconn had to place nets around one of their manufacturing plants in China, to keep the suicide jumpers from staining the pavement too badly. So, their employees had to resort to slashing their wrists with sharp objects found within the factory.

Or so I'm told...

The Chinese use slave labor. They use multiple forms of forced labor. If one doesn't like it (and I don't), the solution is to buy goods from someone else or tariff Chinese imports.

For businesses trying to gain market share within China (the largest market in the world for some things), it's a constant tightrope between doing what's right and pissing off TPTB.

Tim Cook found that out. Elon has, too.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

Elon is a guy we all have to live with, and it is not our choice. It was his success. As I evaluate him, I am absolutely comfortably with him, as compared to a nameless bureaucrat.

Finally, a billionaire who is willing to try and influence governments!

It's about time. George Soros take note.

[jon-nyc]

@Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

Jon, the mythical jon, just accused me of strawmans.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

@Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

Jon, the mythical jon, just accused me of strawmans.

You are more than happy to imply with rhetoric, and then you retreat when confronted with implications. It's motte and bailey, and I actually know you're smart enough to know what that is.

[Horace]

But the point, such that it is, has actually been discussed in this thread best by Jolly. Maybe Elon is compromised by his economic ties to China. I don't know, I doubt it, but I do know he modifies his speech in service to that motivation.

[Renauda]

@Doctor-Phibes said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

@Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

Elon is a guy we all have to live with, and it is not our choice. It was his success. As I evaluate him, I am absolutely comfortably with him, as compared to a nameless bureaucrat.

Finally, a billionaire who is willing to try and influence governments!

It's about time. George Soros take note.

C’mon Phibes, say it isn’t so.

[jon-nyc]

Let’s see if this tweet is still standing as of his confirmation hearing.

Eiither way I’m with Matt. Ask him about it.