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The government Elon doesn’t criticize.

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  • HoraceH Horace

    @jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

    This should be obvious to you, but let me spell it out.

    The issue isn’t “oh no, Elon won’t criticize China!!!!”

    The issue is “oh shit, a guy who’s quite beholden to the CCP is Trump’s right hand guy!!!”

    Right, Elon, and by extension Trump, is a Chinese asset. Good luck with that.

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    @Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

    @jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

    This should be obvious to you, but let me spell it out.

    The issue isn’t “oh no, Elon won’t criticize China!!!!”

    The issue is “oh shit, a guy who’s quite beholden to the CCP is Trump’s right hand guy!!!”

    Right, Elon, and by extension Trump, is a Chinese asset. Good luck with that.

    Strawmanning it is a form of cope.

    Only non-witches get due process.

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      @Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

      @jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

      This should be obvious to you, but let me spell it out.

      The issue isn’t “oh no, Elon won’t criticize China!!!!”

      The issue is “oh shit, a guy who’s quite beholden to the CCP is Trump’s right hand guy!!!”

      Right, Elon, and by extension Trump, is a Chinese asset. Good luck with that.

      Strawmanning it is a form of cope.

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      @jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

      @Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

      @jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

      This should be obvious to you, but let me spell it out.

      The issue isn’t “oh no, Elon won’t criticize China!!!!”

      The issue is “oh shit, a guy who’s quite beholden to the CCP is Trump’s right hand guy!!!”

      Right, Elon, and by extension Trump, is a Chinese asset. Good luck with that.

      To straw man it is a form of cope.

      I don't actually believe you even know what you're talking about. If not the implication that Elon, and by extension Trump, are Chinese assets, what exactly are you on about here? Nothing. Oh, now you might grow some capacity to be nuanced and verbal with the word "asset"?

      Education is extremely important.

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        Seems to me there’s a continuum of influence one entity can have over another and that ‘asset’ would cover one extreme end. But a much broader swath of that spectrum could be concerning, depending on context.

        Only non-witches get due process.

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Seems to me there’s a continuum of influence one entity can have over another and that ‘asset’ would cover one extreme end. But a much broader swath of that spectrum could be concerning, depending on context.

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          @jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

          Seems to me there’s a continuum of influence one entity can have over another and that ‘asset’ would cover one extreme end. But a much broader swath of that spectrum could be concerning.

          Yeah, the implication that an American citizen should be concerned with Elon having ties to China is the point.

          I never misunderstood.

          Do I agree? Probably not.

          Education is extremely important.

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            That’s a level of dissonance your mind is fully capable of avoiding.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              That’s a level of dissonance your mind is fully capable of avoiding.

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              @jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

              That’s a layer of dissonance your mind is fully capable of avoiding.

              Just a joke at this point. I'm sad for you.

              Education is extremely important.

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                QED

                Yep. The real problem isn’t Elon’s ties with China. It’s Jon.

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  QED

                  Yep. The real problem isn’t Elon’s ties with China. It’s Jon.

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                  @jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

                  QED

                  Good job.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    QED

                    Yep. The real problem isn’t Elon’s ties with China. It’s Jon.

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                    @jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

                    QED

                    Yep. The real problem isn’t Elon’s ties with China. It’s Jon.

                    I attempted to interact with Jon by trying, with my word skills, to relate with his point. Jon, the mythical jon, just accused me of strawmans. This is what Jon does. Because Jon is almost entirely incapable of interacting with intelligent human beings who can reflect his own thoughts back.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      You two are like an old married couple. 😂 😂

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                      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                        You two are like an old married couple. 😂 😂

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                        @taiwan_girl said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

                        You two are like an old married couple. 😂 😂

                        I love Jon, and I don't know why.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          I was only joking

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                            Is the strawman paper or plastic? This will clearly imply how much you love the earth.

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                              The reality is you're both right. Elon won't criticize China because he's pragmatic. But it also is a bit of a risk given his influence on Trump. But Trump really only cares about whether moves with China make Trump look powerful and/or are good financially, and Trump will (eventually) dump Elon once their honeymoon romance is over. But yes, both right... Elon is pragmatic, and also a hypocrite.

                              This makes me also admire Elon, in a way. A story we all know, but the world's richest person, influencing all sorts of governments, all the while revolutionizing: internet payment (PayPal), electric vehicles (Tesla), underground road systems (Boring Company), satellite/worldwide high speed internet (Starlink), kind of social media (gutting Twitter's bloat), and of course space travel and reusable self-landing rockets that'll eventually enable a moon base (Space-X).

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                                Elon is a guy we all have to live with, and it is not our choice. It was his success. As I evaluate him, I am absolutely comfortably with him, as compared to a nameless bureaucrat.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  Me too. Overall I'm a fan. Just watch his interview with Don Lemon from a few months ago.

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                                    Foxconn had to place nets around one of their manufacturing plants in China, to keep the suicide jumpers from staining the pavement too badly. So, their employees had to resort to slashing their wrists with sharp objects found within the factory.

                                    Or so I'm told...

                                    The Chinese use slave labor. They use multiple forms of forced labor. If one doesn't like it (and I don't), the solution is to buy goods from someone else or tariff Chinese imports.

                                    For businesses trying to gain market share within China (the largest market in the world for some things), it's a constant tightrope between doing what's right and pissing off TPTB.

                                    Tim Cook found that out. Elon has, too.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • HoraceH Horace

                                      Elon is a guy we all have to live with, and it is not our choice. It was his success. As I evaluate him, I am absolutely comfortably with him, as compared to a nameless bureaucrat.

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                                      @Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

                                      Elon is a guy we all have to live with, and it is not our choice. It was his success. As I evaluate him, I am absolutely comfortably with him, as compared to a nameless bureaucrat.

                                      Finally, a billionaire who is willing to try and influence governments!

                                      It's about time. George Soros take note.

                                      I was only joking

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                                      • HoraceH Horace

                                        @jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

                                        QED

                                        Yep. The real problem isn’t Elon’s ties with China. It’s Jon.

                                        I attempted to interact with Jon by trying, with my word skills, to relate with his point. Jon, the mythical jon, just accused me of strawmans. This is what Jon does. Because Jon is almost entirely incapable of interacting with intelligent human beings who can reflect his own thoughts back.

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                                        @Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

                                        Jon, the mythical jon, just accused me of strawmans.

                                        Screenshot 2025-01-08 at 10.27.22 AM.png

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          @Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

                                          Jon, the mythical jon, just accused me of strawmans.

                                          Screenshot 2025-01-08 at 10.27.22 AM.png

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                                          @jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

                                          @Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

                                          Jon, the mythical jon, just accused me of strawmans.

                                          Screenshot 2025-01-08 at 10.27.22 AM.png

                                          You are more than happy to imply with rhetoric, and then you retreat when confronted with implications. It's motte and bailey, and I actually know you're smart enough to know what that is.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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