UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot
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@Horace said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
@Doctor-Phibes said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
@Horace said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
Just as a statement of practical effect, I think his act will move the conversation and concentrate the public's attention, in ways he wanted.
Maybe in the short term. Does anybody remember what Timothy McVeigh's agenda was at this point?
The American health care system is an elephant in the room for everybody, and whatever McVeigh's concerns were (I recall something about the Waco siege), pale in comparison for their relatability.
I'm not convinced that murdering people helps in a rational discussion of any cause. I'd honestly have been a lot more sympathetic to Irish nationalists in the north if the Provisional IRA hadn't killed quite so many people. For decades, the debate was all about the violence, and not the very real problems the Catholic minority were facing.
wrote on 9 Dec 2024, 20:06 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
@Horace said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
@Doctor-Phibes said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
@Horace said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
Just as a statement of practical effect, I think his act will move the conversation and concentrate the public's attention, in ways he wanted.
Maybe in the short term. Does anybody remember what Timothy McVeigh's agenda was at this point?
The American health care system is an elephant in the room for everybody, and whatever McVeigh's concerns were (I recall something about the Waco siege), pale in comparison for their relatability.
I'm not convinced that murdering people helps in a rational discussion of any cause. I'd honestly have been a lot more sympathetic to Irish nationalists in the north if the Provisional IRA hadn't killed quite so many people. For decades, the debate was all about the violence, and not the very real problems the Catholic minority were facing.
Specifically targeted violence is very different from random terrorist violence.
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wrote on 9 Dec 2024, 20:16 last edited by
OMG he lives 3 blocks away from me!
Kidding.
His house, though:
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@Horace said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
@Doctor-Phibes said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
@Horace said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
Just as a statement of practical effect, I think his act will move the conversation and concentrate the public's attention, in ways he wanted.
Maybe in the short term. Does anybody remember what Timothy McVeigh's agenda was at this point?
The American health care system is an elephant in the room for everybody, and whatever McVeigh's concerns were (I recall something about the Waco siege), pale in comparison for their relatability.
I'm not convinced that murdering people helps in a rational discussion of any cause. I'd honestly have been a lot more sympathetic to Irish nationalists in the north if the Provisional IRA hadn't killed quite so many people. For decades, the debate was all about the violence, and not the very real problems the Catholic minority were facing.
wrote on 9 Dec 2024, 20:20 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
I'm not convinced that murdering people helps in a rational discussion of any cause.
This reminds me of this scene, starting around the 2:00 mark. Hey, even sounds like you, DOC! (Scottish, close enough?)
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wrote on 9 Dec 2024, 20:31 last edited by
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@Doctor-Phibes said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
@Horace said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
@Doctor-Phibes said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
@Horace said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
Just as a statement of practical effect, I think his act will move the conversation and concentrate the public's attention, in ways he wanted.
Maybe in the short term. Does anybody remember what Timothy McVeigh's agenda was at this point?
The American health care system is an elephant in the room for everybody, and whatever McVeigh's concerns were (I recall something about the Waco siege), pale in comparison for their relatability.
I'm not convinced that murdering people helps in a rational discussion of any cause. I'd honestly have been a lot more sympathetic to Irish nationalists in the north if the Provisional IRA hadn't killed quite so many people. For decades, the debate was all about the violence, and not the very real problems the Catholic minority were facing.
Specifically targeted violence is very different from random terrorist violence.
wrote on 9 Dec 2024, 21:24 last edited by Doctor Phibes 12 Sept 2024, 21:24@Horace said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
Specifically targeted violence is very different from random terrorist violence.
The IRA killed plenty of specific targets - Airey Neave, Louis Mountbatten, Ross McWhirter, numerous politicians nobody over here has heard of.
You think blowing up the Conservative party conference hotel is untargeted?
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@jon-nyc said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
That looks like an illegal alien.
Worse. A wop.
When Dago bad, Dago real bad.
wrote on 9 Dec 2024, 21:31 last edited by@George-K said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
@jon-nyc said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
That looks like an illegal alien.
Worse. A wop.
When Dago bad, Dago real bad.
Never buy Italian snow tires, because dago wop, wop, wop...
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@Horace said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
Specifically targeted violence is very different from random terrorist violence.
The IRA killed plenty of specific targets - Airey Neave, Louis Mountbatten, Ross McWhirter, numerous politicians nobody over here has heard of.
You think blowing up the Conservative party conference hotel is untargeted?
wrote on 9 Dec 2024, 21:59 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
@Horace said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
Specifically targeted violence is very different from random terrorist violence.
The IRA killed plenty of specific targets - Airey Neave, Louis Mountbatten, Ross McWhirter, numerous politicians nobody over here has heard of.
You think blowing up the Conservative party conference hotel is untargeted?
Some successfully targeted attacks do not cancel out a bunch of random civilian deaths in other attacks, obviously.
Anyway, you can go ahead and believe the public will be sad about this murder next week, and that health insurance will be an afterthought. It'll just take a week to prove you wrong.
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wrote on 9 Dec 2024, 22:01 last edited by
It'll be Bragg prosecuting him. Watch him offer a plea deal with a single digit jail sentence.
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It'll be Bragg prosecuting him. Watch him offer a plea deal with a single digit jail sentence.
wrote on 9 Dec 2024, 22:13 last edited by@jon-nyc said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
It'll be Bragg prosecuting him.
There are rumors of Federal Charges.
His term ends on Dec 31, 2025. Magnione won't see a courtroom before then.
Do you think he'll be re-elected?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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wrote on 9 Dec 2024, 22:14 last edited by
I'd bet yes, if for no other reason than incumbency and name recognition.
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@jon-nyc said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
It'll be Bragg prosecuting him.
There are rumors of Federal Charges.
His term ends on Dec 31, 2025. Magnione won't see a courtroom before then.
Do you think he'll be re-elected?
wrote on 9 Dec 2024, 22:16 last edited by@George-K said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
@jon-nyc said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
It'll be Bragg prosecuting him.
There are rumors of Federal Charges.
I suspect they'd need terrorism charges to do that. Which I think are appropriate.
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@George-K said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
@jon-nyc said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
It'll be Bragg prosecuting him.
There are rumors of Federal Charges.
I suspect they'd need terrorism charges to do that. Which I think are appropriate.
wrote on 9 Dec 2024, 22:17 last edited by@jon-nyc said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
I suspect they'd need terrorism charges to do that.
Yeah, that's what I've heard.
Which I think are appropriate.
Howso? It was a targeted murder of a businessman, of course. How's that terrorism?
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wrote on 9 Dec 2024, 22:24 last edited by
Politically motivated murder to strike fear and change policy? Isn't that the bog standard definition?
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wrote on 9 Dec 2024, 22:27 last edited by jon-nyc 12 Sept 2024, 22:27
I should add I've not looked up the statutory definition. It just seems to fit the common sense definition.
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wrote on 9 Dec 2024, 22:30 last edited by
I haven't taken a dive into what is purported "manifesto", but is it politically motivated?
The guy who was lurking at the golf course waiting for President-Elect Trump - would that qualify as terrorism? I would think so. Was he charged with that? I honestly don't know.
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wrote on 9 Dec 2024, 22:33 last edited by
I don’t know either.
It might be complicated by the fact that Trump wasn’t in any role that controlled policy.
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wrote on 9 Dec 2024, 23:06 last edited by
Bet those CEOs aren’t carrying pagers.
That said, he had a pretty good plan. Hard to believe he kept the weapon on him and the IDs. Dumb.
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wrote on 9 Dec 2024, 23:50 last edited by
I wonder if we found the motive:
The former classmate said the last time he'd spoken to Mangione was in February 2023, when Mangione mentioned that he had suffered a spine injury.
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wrote on 9 Dec 2024, 23:52 last edited by
I wonder if his parents and close friends recognized him in the original photos in the news and chose not to say anything.
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