UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot
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@Horace said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
@Doctor-Phibes said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
@Horace said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
Just as a statement of practical effect, I think his act will move the conversation and concentrate the public's attention, in ways he wanted.
Maybe in the short term. Does anybody remember what Timothy McVeigh's agenda was at this point?
The American health care system is an elephant in the room for everybody, and whatever McVeigh's concerns were (I recall something about the Waco siege), pale in comparison for their relatability.
I'm not convinced that murdering people helps in a rational discussion of any cause. I'd honestly have been a lot more sympathetic to Irish nationalists in the north if the Provisional IRA hadn't killed quite so many people. For decades, the debate was all about the violence, and not the very real problems the Catholic minority were facing.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
@Horace said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
@Doctor-Phibes said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
@Horace said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
Just as a statement of practical effect, I think his act will move the conversation and concentrate the public's attention, in ways he wanted.
Maybe in the short term. Does anybody remember what Timothy McVeigh's agenda was at this point?
The American health care system is an elephant in the room for everybody, and whatever McVeigh's concerns were (I recall something about the Waco siege), pale in comparison for their relatability.
I'm not convinced that murdering people helps in a rational discussion of any cause. I'd honestly have been a lot more sympathetic to Irish nationalists in the north if the Provisional IRA hadn't killed quite so many people. For decades, the debate was all about the violence, and not the very real problems the Catholic minority were facing.
Specifically targeted violence is very different from random terrorist violence.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
I'm not convinced that murdering people helps in a rational discussion of any cause.
This reminds me of this scene, starting around the 2:00 mark. Hey, even sounds like you, DOC! (Scottish, close enough?)
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@Horace said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
Specifically targeted violence is very different from random terrorist violence.
The IRA killed plenty of specific targets - Airey Neave, Louis Mountbatten, Ross McWhirter, numerous politicians nobody over here has heard of.
You think blowing up the Conservative party conference hotel is untargeted?
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@George-K said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
@jon-nyc said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
That looks like an illegal alien.
Worse. A wop.
When Dago bad, Dago real bad.
Never buy Italian snow tires, because dago wop, wop, wop...
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@Doctor-Phibes said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
@Horace said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
Specifically targeted violence is very different from random terrorist violence.
The IRA killed plenty of specific targets - Airey Neave, Louis Mountbatten, Ross McWhirter, numerous politicians nobody over here has heard of.
You think blowing up the Conservative party conference hotel is untargeted?
Some successfully targeted attacks do not cancel out a bunch of random civilian deaths in other attacks, obviously.
Anyway, you can go ahead and believe the public will be sad about this murder next week, and that health insurance will be an afterthought. It'll just take a week to prove you wrong.
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It'll be Bragg prosecuting him. Watch him offer a plea deal with a single digit jail sentence.
DON’T let them eat cake.
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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I'd bet yes, if for no other reason than incumbency and name recognition.
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@George-K said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
@jon-nyc said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
It'll be Bragg prosecuting him.
There are rumors of Federal Charges.
I suspect they'd need terrorism charges to do that. Which I think are appropriate.
DON’T let them eat cake.
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@jon-nyc said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
I suspect they'd need terrorism charges to do that.
Yeah, that's what I've heard.
Which I think are appropriate.
Howso? It was a targeted murder of a businessman, of course. How's that terrorism?
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Politically motivated murder to strike fear and change policy? Isn't that the bog standard definition?
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I should add I've not looked up the statutory definition. It just seems to fit the common sense definition.
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I haven't taken a dive into what is purported "manifesto", but is it politically motivated?
The guy who was lurking at the golf course waiting for President-Elect Trump - would that qualify as terrorism? I would think so. Was he charged with that? I honestly don't know.
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I don’t know either.
It might be complicated by the fact that Trump wasn’t in any role that controlled policy.
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I wonder if we found the motive:
The former classmate said the last time he'd spoken to Mangione was in February 2023, when Mangione mentioned that he had suffered a spine injury.
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I wonder if his parents and close friends recognized him in the original photos in the news and chose not to say anything.
