The Hegseth "incident."
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Bottom line...Can he do the job?
Lots of people in the North thought Lincoln was nuts for appointing Grant.
wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 00:53 last edited by@Jolly said in The Hegseth "incident.":
Bottom line...Can he do the job?
Actually, the question is whether there are people available who can do the job better than him.
If Trump's main prerequisite for picking him is because he thinks he'll be unquestionably loyal, then maybe his inability to remain faithful to his various wives is actually quite a big deal.
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@Jolly said in The Hegseth "incident.":
Bottom line...Can he do the job?
Actually, the question is whether there are people available who can do the job better than him.
If Trump's main prerequisite for picking him is because he thinks he'll be unquestionably loyal, then maybe his inability to remain faithful to his various wives is actually quite a big deal.
wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 01:09 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in The Hegseth "incident.":
@Jolly said in The Hegseth "incident.":
Bottom line...Can he do the job?
Actually, the question is whether there are people available who can do the job better than him.
If Trump's main prerequisite for picking him is because he thinks he'll be unquestionably loyal, then maybe his inability to remain faithful to his various wives is actually quite a big deal.
I think loyalty is a component. I also think the guy's view of what the military needs to be, plays a huge part. This is a guy with two bronze stars, so he's no perfumed prince. So, in that area, he's a true believer.
The problem is the wimmen.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Hegseth "incident.":
@Jolly said in The Hegseth "incident.":
Bottom line...Can he do the job?
Actually, the question is whether there are people available who can do the job better than him.
If Trump's main prerequisite for picking him is because he thinks he'll be unquestionably loyal, then maybe his inability to remain faithful to his various wives is actually quite a big deal.
I think loyalty is a component. I also think the guy's view of what the military needs to be, plays a huge part. This is a guy with two bronze stars, so he's no perfumed prince. So, in that area, he's a true believer.
The problem is the wimmen.
wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 01:20 last edited by@Jolly said in The Hegseth "incident.":
The problem is the wimmen.
Seems like that's true of a few of Trump's picks. I'd guess the levels of narcissism are higher than average in that little group.
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wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 02:16 last edited by
Yet, the narcissist just pulled off maybe the biggest comeback in American politics.
Ever.
So, there's something there. Maybe it's just the economy. Or maybe the country likes a fighter and is tired of the legacy media blowing smoke up their ass. Or feels like lawfare is unfair and unAmerican.
And if his opposition doesn't get their head out their ass and figure out why the guy got elected, they may get a chance to live with the narcissists policies for the next decade.
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Yet, the narcissist just pulled off maybe the biggest comeback in American politics.
Ever.
So, there's something there. Maybe it's just the economy. Or maybe the country likes a fighter and is tired of the legacy media blowing smoke up their ass. Or feels like lawfare is unfair and unAmerican.
And if his opposition doesn't get their head out their ass and figure out why the guy got elected, they may get a chance to live with the narcissists policies for the next decade.
wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 12:49 last edited by@Jolly said in The Hegseth "incident.":
Yet, the narcissist just pulled off maybe the biggest comeback in American politics.
Ever.
I'd argue this was the biggest comeback. His poll numbers were down, the media were criticizing him, yet he inspired pilots to go up and whoop some alien ass.
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wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 12:58 last edited by
Was the Trump campaign the biggest comeback ever? Or was it one of the biggest collapses by the Dems ever?
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wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 13:54 last edited by
Epic collapse, no argument. Bad candidate replaced by worse candidate.
But...Has there ever been a candidate for POTUS that...
- Had been defeated in his reelection bid?
- That had been impeached twice?
- That had a Whitehouse coordinated lawfare campaign ran against him, starting when he left office?
- That was pilloried by a House "investigative" committee in Prime Time?
- That was outspent during the campaign 3:1?
- That had 90% of the media arraigned against him?
You can one or two of those in other successful bids, but I don't think you can
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wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 14:07 last edited by Horace
Right guy, right time, but the same can be said for many historically important figures. You could make a case that Trump is the right candidate for generations of people educated on the internet. Now, the left would say that that means it's all because of mis and disinformation, but I would say it's because the internet has shown the mainstream elite class to be posers who can't actually back up their pretensions of being the educated adults in the room, regardless of how much they believe that.
Was talking to my mom yesterday and she was telling me about one of her friends in her elderly white female friend group. Big leftist, big Trump hater. She's the educated one, she's the smart one, all the Trump supporters are idiotic conspiracy theorists. You can't even parody these people, because they all live the parody, and they are everywhere. When we moved here, the first neighbor couple we got to know, the wife was entirely that person. Just pure sneering in all political issues, against the right. The degree to which this repulsive condescension became the mainstream, unashamed personality of the left, it's just magnificent. That stuff will have to be unwound, if they would like to win elections going forward.
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Right guy, right time, but the same can be said for many historically important figures. You could make a case that Trump is the right candidate for generations of people educated on the internet. Now, the left would say that that means it's all because of mis and disinformation, but I would say it's because the internet has shown the mainstream elite class to be posers who can't actually back up their pretensions of being the educated adults in the room, regardless of how much they believe that.
Was talking to my mom yesterday and she was telling me about one of her friends in her elderly white female friend group. Big leftist, big Trump hater. She's the educated one, she's the smart one, all the Trump supporters are idiotic conspiracy theorists. You can't even parody these people, because they all live the parody, and they are everywhere. When we moved here, the first neighbor couple we got to know, the wife was entirely that person. Just pure sneering in all political issues, against the right. The degree to which this repulsive condescension became the mainstream, unashamed personality of the left, it's just magnificent. That stuff will have to be unwound, if they would like to win elections going forward.
wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 14:08 last edited by@Horace said in The Hegseth "incident.":
The degree to which this repulsive condescension became the mainstream, unashamed personality of the left, it's just magnificent. That stuff will have to be unwound, if they would like to win elections going forward.
Amen.
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Was the Trump campaign the biggest comeback ever? Or was it one of the biggest collapses by the Dems ever?
wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 15:14 last edited by jon-nyc@LuFins-Dad said in The Hegseth "incident.":
Was the Trump campaign the biggest comeback ever? Or was it one of the biggest collapses by the Dems ever?
Neither.
Recall Nixon not only lost in 60, he then lost statewide election in CA. Everybody, including Nixon himself, wrote off his future political career.
As for the Dems, they suffered a clear loss but put it in historical perspective- Trump’s win was the 44th biggest electoral college victory out of the 60 we’ve had. That’s like 75th percentile.
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@LuFins-Dad said in The Hegseth "incident.":
Was the Trump campaign the biggest comeback ever? Or was it one of the biggest collapses by the Dems ever?
Neither.
Recall Nixon not only lost in 60, he then lost statewide election in CA. Everybody, including Nixon himself, wrote off his future political career.
As for the Dems, they suffered a clear loss but put it in historical perspective- Trump’s win was the 44th biggest electoral college victory out of the 60 we’ve had. That’s like 75th percentile.
wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 15:23 last edited by@jon-nyc said in The Hegseth "incident.":
@LuFins-Dad said in The Hegseth "incident.":
Was the Trump campaign the biggest comeback ever? Or was it one of the biggest collapses by the Dems ever?
Neither.
Recall Nixon not only lost in 60, he then lost statewide election in CA. Everybody, including Nixon himself, wrote off his future political career.
As for the Dems, they suffered a clear loss but put it in historical perspective- Trump’s win was the 44th biggest electoral college victory out of the 60 we’ve had. That’s like 75th percentile.
Yeah, but, as your side is fond of saying, he's Donald Trump. Imagine the headwinds he faces in the minds of every sane human being, and then to still get a 75th percentile win. That should be impressive, all the moreso as one's own opinion of Trump decreases.
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wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 15:31 last edited by
Look at you, the soft bigotry of low expectations.
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wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 15:37 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in The Hegseth "incident.":
Look at you, the soft bigotry of low expectations.
Of whom do I have low expectations? I made a claim to the psychologies of those who hate Trump, and how that should make them more impressed with his win. That claim isn't based on expectations, it's based on what those people say.
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@LuFins-Dad said in The Hegseth "incident.":
Was the Trump campaign the biggest comeback ever? Or was it one of the biggest collapses by the Dems ever?
Neither.
Recall Nixon not only lost in 60, he then lost statewide election in CA. Everybody, including Nixon himself, wrote off his future political career.
As for the Dems, they suffered a clear loss but put it in historical perspective- Trump’s win was the 44th biggest electoral college victory out of the 60 we’ve had. That’s like 75th percentile.
wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 15:45 last edited by@jon-nyc you’re trying to quantify the rhetorical. Did DJT overcome 2 impeachments, multiple felony indictments and an almost conviction of 36 counts, a civil sexual assault litigation, and being labeled an insurrectionist and literal Hitler because he’s so incredible? Or did people elect him because they thought the alternative was even worse?
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wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 16:55 last edited by
Regarding the Sec. of Defense - still not sure why people with TDS (Trump Deification Syndrome) think he is a qualified candidate? (regardless of "well, so and so was Secretary and had no qualifications")
In any normal organization, picking someone from his level and trying to make him CEO would be laughed at.
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@LuFins-Dad said in The Hegseth "incident.":
Was the Trump campaign the biggest comeback ever? Or was it one of the biggest collapses by the Dems ever?
Neither.
Recall Nixon not only lost in 60, he then lost statewide election in CA. Everybody, including Nixon himself, wrote off his future political career.
As for the Dems, they suffered a clear loss but put it in historical perspective- Trump’s win was the 44th biggest electoral college victory out of the 60 we’ve had. That’s like 75th percentile.
wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 16:59 last edited by George K@jon-nyc said in The Hegseth "incident.":
Trump’s win was the 44th biggest electoral college victory out of the 60 we’ve had.
And in 2016, his margin of victory (in electoral votes) was greater than Biden's in 2020 (77 vs 74) , and only 7 less than JFK (77 vs 84). Looks like 2024 will be the more than JFK.
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wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 17:01 last edited by
I only learned this election that electoral vote numbers per state, change every year.
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wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 17:05 last edited by
@Horace said in The Hegseth "incident.":
I only learned this election that electoral vote numbers per state, change every year.
Not every year, every census.
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Regarding the Sec. of Defense - still not sure why people with TDS (Trump Deification Syndrome) think he is a qualified candidate? (regardless of "well, so and so was Secretary and had no qualifications")
In any normal organization, picking someone from his level and trying to make him CEO would be laughed at.
wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 17:06 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in The Hegseth "incident.":
Regarding the Sec. of Defense - still not sure why people with TDS (Trump Deification Syndrome) think he is a qualified candidate? (regardless of "well, so and so was Secretary and had no qualifications")
In any normal organization, picking someone from his level and trying to make him CEO would be laughed at.
In any normal organization, you're not choosing from an incestual talent pool.
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@taiwan_girl said in The Hegseth "incident.":
Regarding the Sec. of Defense - still not sure why people with TDS (Trump Deification Syndrome) think he is a qualified candidate? (regardless of "well, so and so was Secretary and had no qualifications")
In any normal organization, picking someone from his level and trying to make him CEO would be laughed at.
In any normal organization, you're not choosing from an incestual talent pool.
wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 17:12 last edited by@Jolly I agree with you.
But I think if Senators looked at this with ration, it would be much better. Tell the President to be that this candidate just is not qualfied. Dont make us reject him.
(yes yes yes yes, both sides are guilty. If VP Harris won, and she nominated a Sec. of Defense with the same qualifications, all the Dem senators would be talking about how great he was.)
At some point, putting blind loyalty in front of good of the country is not a good thing.