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  • G George K
    18 Nov 2024, 12:47

    Is New York unique in that it needs a congestion fee tax? It is the only city in the country that plans this.

    Small trucks and non-commuter buses will pay $14.40 to enter Manhattan, while larger trucks and tourist buses will pay a $21.60 fee.

    Is NYC worse than Chicago, LA or others? DC has the worst gridlock.

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    taiwan_girl
    wrote on 18 Nov 2024, 15:17 last edited by
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    @George-K said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:

    It is the only city in the country that plans this.

    I know it is not in the US, but Singapore has been doing this for a while.

    When it started, you had a tag you put on your window, and they had a policeman at every street leading to the Central Business District. They wouldn't stop you going in, but I guess would spot people without a tag and remember their license number. Sounds like kind of a tough job!!

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      George K
      wrote on 18 Nov 2024, 15:18 last edited by
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      I just read that NYC already does stuff something like this - the tolls on a couple of bridges change depending on what time of day you cross.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 18 Nov 2024, 15:21 last edited by
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        London has it too.

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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          89th
          wrote on 18 Nov 2024, 17:13 last edited by
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          In the northern virginia area, so many highways are becoming toll roads (many times, variable costs). Sometimes it's one or two lanes, sometimes it's the whole highway. Costs range from $4 to $50 depending on the traffic. What really bothers me about this are... well, a few things.

          1. The construction and maintenance of roads seems to be one of the clearest "what my taxes go to" categories.
          2. Trying to control congestion just means planners are 20-30 years behind. Roads should be built or widened a decade or two before the growth is expected.
          3. This is a POOR TAX. I am fortunate to pay the cost (sometimes $20 or $30) if it saves me an hour of sitting in traffic, but many people cannot pay that. In other words... if you are poor, you must sit in traffic or drive many miles out of your way, adding time to your commute.
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            Copper
            wrote on 18 Nov 2024, 17:46 last edited by
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            In high volume, the toll is higher

            But since the volume is higher, the speed is slower

            Did you know that the Dulles Toll Road was initially built with the promise that the toll booths will be removed when the cost of the road has been covered?

            The cost of the road was recovered in only a few years, but when they saw how much money could be collected, the promise was forgotten.

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            • C Copper
              18 Nov 2024, 17:46

              In high volume, the toll is higher

              But since the volume is higher, the speed is slower

              Did you know that the Dulles Toll Road was initially built with the promise that the toll booths will be removed when the cost of the road has been covered?

              The cost of the road was recovered in only a few years, but when they saw how much money could be collected, the promise was forgotten.

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              George K
              wrote on 18 Nov 2024, 17:48 last edited by
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              @Copper said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:

              Did you know that the Dulles Toll Road was initially built with the promise that the toll booths will be removed when the cost of the road has been covered?

              We were told the same thing in Illinois.

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              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • G George K
                18 Nov 2024, 12:47

                Is New York unique in that it needs a congestion fee tax? It is the only city in the country that plans this.

                Small trucks and non-commuter buses will pay $14.40 to enter Manhattan, while larger trucks and tourist buses will pay a $21.60 fee.

                Is NYC worse than Chicago, LA or others? DC has the worst gridlock.

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                Mik
                wrote on 18 Nov 2024, 17:59 last edited by Mik
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                @George-K said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:

                Is New York unique in that it needs a congestion fee tax? It is the only city in the country that plans this.

                Small trucks and non-commuter buses will pay $14.40 to enter Manhattan, while larger trucks and tourist buses will pay a $21.60 fee.

                Is NYC worse than Chicago, LA or others? DC has the worst gridlock.

                North and south in Manhattan is OK. East or west? Fugghedaboudit.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • C Copper
                  18 Nov 2024, 17:46

                  In high volume, the toll is higher

                  But since the volume is higher, the speed is slower

                  Did you know that the Dulles Toll Road was initially built with the promise that the toll booths will be removed when the cost of the road has been covered?

                  The cost of the road was recovered in only a few years, but when they saw how much money could be collected, the promise was forgotten.

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 18 Nov 2024, 18:11 last edited by
                  #25

                  @Copper said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:

                  In high volume, the toll is higher

                  But since the volume is higher, the speed is slower

                  Did you know that the Dulles Toll Road was initially built with the promise that the toll booths will be removed when the cost of the road has been covered?

                  The cost of the road was recovered in only a few years, but when they saw how much money could be collected, the promise was forgotten.

                  When I lived in Merritt Island as a kid there was a new bridge to the mainland built and they put a toll on it, saying they’d take it down when it was paid for.

                  A few years later they announced the goal had been met and they were going to take it down. Then they realized it cost money to take it down, so they operated it for a few more months and then took it down.

                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                  • C Copper
                    18 Nov 2024, 17:46

                    In high volume, the toll is higher

                    But since the volume is higher, the speed is slower

                    Did you know that the Dulles Toll Road was initially built with the promise that the toll booths will be removed when the cost of the road has been covered?

                    The cost of the road was recovered in only a few years, but when they saw how much money could be collected, the promise was forgotten.

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                    89th
                    wrote on 18 Nov 2024, 20:39 last edited by
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                    @Copper said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:

                    Did you know that the Dulles Toll Road was initially built with the promise that the toll booths will be removed when the cost of the road has been covered?

                    Yup! I believe it makes about $750,000 per day. PER DAY.

                    The Dulles Greenway I think also makes like $400,000 per day.

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                      Copper
                      wrote on 18 Nov 2024, 22:01 last edited by Copper
                      #27

                      I believe the cost was 25 cents, 50 cents (maybe 35) to go all the way to the beltway.

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                        89th
                        wrote on 18 Nov 2024, 22:18 last edited by
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                        Haha yeah, I remember when you could still toss a quarter into a basket with a human standing in the booth.

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 18 Nov 2024, 22:59 last edited by
                          #29

                          Gee, you're old.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • JollyJ Jolly
                            18 Nov 2024, 22:59

                            Gee, you're old.

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                            George K
                            wrote on 18 Nov 2024, 23:06 last edited by
                            #30

                            @Jolly said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:

                            Gee, you're old.

                            I remember (really!) when the Interstates didn't exist.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • JollyJ Jolly
                              18 Nov 2024, 22:59

                              Gee, you're old.

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                              89th
                              wrote on 19 Nov 2024, 01:36 last edited by 89th
                              #31

                              @Jolly said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:

                              Gee, you're old.

                              I was referring specifically to the Dulles toll road history. I’m not as old as you who would throw a penny and ask for change!

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                              • G George K
                                18 Nov 2024, 23:06

                                @Jolly said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:

                                Gee, you're old.

                                I remember (really!) when the Interstates didn't exist.

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                                Copper
                                wrote on 19 Nov 2024, 11:10 last edited by
                                #32

                                @George-K said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:

                                @Jolly said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:

                                Gee, you're old.

                                I remember (really!) when the Interstates didn't exist.

                                And a time before any man made object had orbited the earth

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                                • 8 89th
                                  19 Nov 2024, 01:36

                                  @Jolly said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:

                                  Gee, you're old.

                                  I was referring specifically to the Dulles toll road history. I’m not as old as you who would throw a penny and ask for change!

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on 19 Nov 2024, 11:22 last edited by
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                                  @89th said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:

                                  @Jolly said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:

                                  Gee, you're old.

                                  I was referring specifically to the Dulles toll road history. I’m not as old as you who would throw a penny and ask for change!

                                  Things were slower back then. You had plenty of time as your horse walked through the toll gate.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly
                                    19 Nov 2024, 11:22

                                    @89th said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:

                                    @Jolly said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:

                                    Gee, you're old.

                                    I was referring specifically to the Dulles toll road history. I’m not as old as you who would throw a penny and ask for change!

                                    Things were slower back then. You had plenty of time as your horse walked through the toll gate.

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                                    LuFins Dad
                                    wrote on 19 Nov 2024, 13:36 last edited by
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                                    @Jolly said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:

                                    @89th said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:

                                    @Jolly said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:

                                    Gee, you're old.

                                    I was referring specifically to the Dulles toll road history. I’m not as old as you who would throw a penny and ask for change!

                                    Things were slower back then. You had plenty of time as your horse walked through the toll gate.

                                    But not too slowly… Didn’t want the troll to get you.

                                    The Brad

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                                    • J jon-nyc
                                      18 Nov 2024, 18:11

                                      @Copper said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:

                                      In high volume, the toll is higher

                                      But since the volume is higher, the speed is slower

                                      Did you know that the Dulles Toll Road was initially built with the promise that the toll booths will be removed when the cost of the road has been covered?

                                      The cost of the road was recovered in only a few years, but when they saw how much money could be collected, the promise was forgotten.

                                      When I lived in Merritt Island as a kid there was a new bridge to the mainland built and they put a toll on it, saying they’d take it down when it was paid for.

                                      A few years later they announced the goal had been met and they were going to take it down. Then they realized it cost money to take it down, so they operated it for a few more months and then took it down.

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 01:54 last edited by jon-nyc 2 Feb 2025, 01:54
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                                      @jon-nyc said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:

                                      @Copper said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:

                                      In high volume, the toll is higher

                                      But since the volume is higher, the speed is slower

                                      Did you know that the Dulles Toll Road was initially built with the promise that the toll booths will be removed when the cost of the road has been covered?

                                      The cost of the road was recovered in only a few years, but when they saw how much money could be collected, the promise was forgotten.

                                      When I lived in Merritt Island as a kid there was a new bridge to the mainland built and they put a toll on it, saying they’d take it down when it was paid for.

                                      A few years later they announced the goal had been met and they were going to take it down. Then they realized it cost money to take it down, so they operated it for a few more months and then took it down.

                                      NY has rescinded a toll before.

                                      Brooklyn Bridge - When the Brooklyn Bridge first opened, it cost a penny to cross by foot, 5 cents for a horse and rider and 10 cents for a horse and wagon. Farm animals were allowed at a price of 5 cents per cow and 2 cents per sheep or hog. Under pressure from civic groups and commuters, the pedestrian toll was repealed in 1891. The roadway tolls were then rescinded on July 19, 1911.

                                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                                      • 8 89th
                                        18 Nov 2024, 22:18

                                        Haha yeah, I remember when you could still toss a quarter into a basket with a human standing in the booth.

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 02:27 last edited by
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                                        @89th said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:

                                        Haha yeah, I remember when you could still toss a quarter into a basket with a human standing in the booth.

                                        Yes! And if you hurled it in forcefully it made a satisfying sound, like you hurt the booth. IBM 3278 keyboards made a very similar noise.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 03:23 last edited by
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                                          Once drove through a toll booth at a hair over 100mph. I did toss a quarter. I did not hit the basket.

                                          OTOH, I was driving on the wrong side of the road at the time, so I had to throw the quarter over the roof...

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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