NY Gov Hochul saves you money!
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In the northern virginia area, so many highways are becoming toll roads (many times, variable costs). Sometimes it's one or two lanes, sometimes it's the whole highway. Costs range from $4 to $50 depending on the traffic. What really bothers me about this are... well, a few things.
- The construction and maintenance of roads seems to be one of the clearest "what my taxes go to" categories.
- Trying to control congestion just means planners are 20-30 years behind. Roads should be built or widened a decade or two before the growth is expected.
- This is a POOR TAX. I am fortunate to pay the cost (sometimes $20 or $30) if it saves me an hour of sitting in traffic, but many people cannot pay that. In other words... if you are poor, you must sit in traffic or drive many miles out of your way, adding time to your commute.
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In high volume, the toll is higher
But since the volume is higher, the speed is slower
Did you know that the Dulles Toll Road was initially built with the promise that the toll booths will be removed when the cost of the road has been covered?
The cost of the road was recovered in only a few years, but when they saw how much money could be collected, the promise was forgotten.
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In high volume, the toll is higher
But since the volume is higher, the speed is slower
Did you know that the Dulles Toll Road was initially built with the promise that the toll booths will be removed when the cost of the road has been covered?
The cost of the road was recovered in only a few years, but when they saw how much money could be collected, the promise was forgotten.
@Copper said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:
Did you know that the Dulles Toll Road was initially built with the promise that the toll booths will be removed when the cost of the road has been covered?
We were told the same thing in Illinois.
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Is New York unique in that it needs a congestion
feetax? It is the only city in the country that plans this.Small trucks and non-commuter buses will pay $14.40 to enter Manhattan, while larger trucks and tourist buses will pay a $21.60 fee.
Is NYC worse than Chicago, LA or others? DC has the worst gridlock.
@George-K said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:
Is New York unique in that it needs a congestion
feetax? It is the only city in the country that plans this.Small trucks and non-commuter buses will pay $14.40 to enter Manhattan, while larger trucks and tourist buses will pay a $21.60 fee.
Is NYC worse than Chicago, LA or others? DC has the worst gridlock.
North and south in Manhattan is OK. East or west? Fugghedaboudit.
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In high volume, the toll is higher
But since the volume is higher, the speed is slower
Did you know that the Dulles Toll Road was initially built with the promise that the toll booths will be removed when the cost of the road has been covered?
The cost of the road was recovered in only a few years, but when they saw how much money could be collected, the promise was forgotten.
@Copper said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:
In high volume, the toll is higher
But since the volume is higher, the speed is slower
Did you know that the Dulles Toll Road was initially built with the promise that the toll booths will be removed when the cost of the road has been covered?
The cost of the road was recovered in only a few years, but when they saw how much money could be collected, the promise was forgotten.
When I lived in Merritt Island as a kid there was a new bridge to the mainland built and they put a toll on it, saying they’d take it down when it was paid for.
A few years later they announced the goal had been met and they were going to take it down. Then they realized it cost money to take it down, so they operated it for a few more months and then took it down.
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In high volume, the toll is higher
But since the volume is higher, the speed is slower
Did you know that the Dulles Toll Road was initially built with the promise that the toll booths will be removed when the cost of the road has been covered?
The cost of the road was recovered in only a few years, but when they saw how much money could be collected, the promise was forgotten.
@Copper said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:
Did you know that the Dulles Toll Road was initially built with the promise that the toll booths will be removed when the cost of the road has been covered?
Yup! I believe it makes about $750,000 per day. PER DAY.
The Dulles Greenway I think also makes like $400,000 per day.
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Gee, you're old.
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@Jolly said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:
Gee, you're old.
I remember (really!) when the Interstates didn't exist.
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@Jolly said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:
Gee, you're old.
I remember (really!) when the Interstates didn't exist.
@George-K said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:
@Jolly said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:
Gee, you're old.
I remember (really!) when the Interstates didn't exist.
And a time before any man made object had orbited the earth
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@Jolly said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:
Gee, you're old.
I was referring specifically to the Dulles toll road history. I’m not as old as you who would throw a penny and ask for change!
@89th said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:
@Jolly said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:
Gee, you're old.
I was referring specifically to the Dulles toll road history. I’m not as old as you who would throw a penny and ask for change!
Things were slower back then. You had plenty of time as your horse walked through the toll gate.
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@89th said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:
@Jolly said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:
Gee, you're old.
I was referring specifically to the Dulles toll road history. I’m not as old as you who would throw a penny and ask for change!
Things were slower back then. You had plenty of time as your horse walked through the toll gate.
@Jolly said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:
@89th said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:
@Jolly said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:
Gee, you're old.
I was referring specifically to the Dulles toll road history. I’m not as old as you who would throw a penny and ask for change!
Things were slower back then. You had plenty of time as your horse walked through the toll gate.
But not too slowly… Didn’t want the troll to get you.
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@Copper said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:
In high volume, the toll is higher
But since the volume is higher, the speed is slower
Did you know that the Dulles Toll Road was initially built with the promise that the toll booths will be removed when the cost of the road has been covered?
The cost of the road was recovered in only a few years, but when they saw how much money could be collected, the promise was forgotten.
When I lived in Merritt Island as a kid there was a new bridge to the mainland built and they put a toll on it, saying they’d take it down when it was paid for.
A few years later they announced the goal had been met and they were going to take it down. Then they realized it cost money to take it down, so they operated it for a few more months and then took it down.
@jon-nyc said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:
@Copper said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:
In high volume, the toll is higher
But since the volume is higher, the speed is slower
Did you know that the Dulles Toll Road was initially built with the promise that the toll booths will be removed when the cost of the road has been covered?
The cost of the road was recovered in only a few years, but when they saw how much money could be collected, the promise was forgotten.
When I lived in Merritt Island as a kid there was a new bridge to the mainland built and they put a toll on it, saying they’d take it down when it was paid for.
A few years later they announced the goal had been met and they were going to take it down. Then they realized it cost money to take it down, so they operated it for a few more months and then took it down.
NY has rescinded a toll before.
Brooklyn Bridge - When the Brooklyn Bridge first opened, it cost a penny to cross by foot, 5 cents for a horse and rider and 10 cents for a horse and wagon. Farm animals were allowed at a price of 5 cents per cow and 2 cents per sheep or hog. Under pressure from civic groups and commuters, the pedestrian toll was repealed in 1891. The roadway tolls were then rescinded on July 19, 1911.
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Haha yeah, I remember when you could still toss a quarter into a basket with a human standing in the booth.
@89th said in NY Gov Hochul saves you money!:
Haha yeah, I remember when you could still toss a quarter into a basket with a human standing in the booth.
Yes! And if you hurled it in forcefully it made a satisfying sound, like you hurt the booth. IBM 3278 keyboards made a very similar noise.
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Once drove through a toll booth at a hair over 100mph. I did toss a quarter. I did not hit the basket.
OTOH, I was driving on the wrong side of the road at the time, so I had to throw the quarter over the roof...
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Once drove through a toll booth at a hair over 100mph. I did toss a quarter. I did not hit the basket.
OTOH, I was driving on the wrong side of the road at the time, so I had to throw the quarter over the roof...
