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Andrew Sullivan: This is very Weimar

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  • HoraceH Offline
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    Horace
    wrote on last edited by
    #64

    Are ad hominems another thing you take no responsibility for jon? I mean your lack of integrity for being a guy who is more than willing to get down and dirty may be such that you're unwilling to even admit that you throw stones yourself. So I'm curious if you're capable of admitting that. The innocent princess act might be bought by a couple people here but the number is diminishing.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • bachophileB Offline
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      bachophile
      wrote on last edited by
      #65

      Jon if it’s any consolation, I get what u r saying.

      Not that I’m taking sides....lol

      But I do get it.

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        bachophile
        wrote on last edited by bachophile
        #66

        U can take me out of New York, but u can’t take my democratic NY Jewish liberalism out of me.

        In medicine it’s called an inborn error of metabolism

        Blame my genes

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        • HoraceH Offline
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          Horace
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          #67

          I think everybody gets what he's saying. It's just that some of us reject the notion that Trump and his supporters bear an important part of the responsibility for the rioting. Millions accept that, of course. I mean it is not new that a hated politician can be easily blamed for bad stuff, by those who hate them.

          I don't anticipate TDS sufferers ever coming to terms with their own personal failures and culpability for the cultural conflagration they have helped to create. This is a consequence of their attitude that no outcome is worse than Trump being president, full stop. Of course they paint themselves into a corner when they so proudly claim that. And of course they'll never admit that yes, some things could be worse. The only thing they can do when they see those worse things, is to blame Trump.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
            wrote on last edited by
            #68

            That’s quite disingenuous as you know full well I blame the far left constantly for the action and the moderate left for the enabling. You participate in threads where I do that all the time.

            Keep in mind all of this is in response to Trump warning us about what Biden’s America might look like by showing us footage of what Trump’s America actually looks like.

            You were warned.

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            • HoraceH Offline
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              Horace
              wrote on last edited by
              #69

              Yes i understand that you think complaining about both sides is a get out of personal responsibility free card. But actually it's not, and as you've blamed Trump and his supporters for their culpability for the riots, I blame you for your part in the righteous outrage that TDS sufferers have very intentionally fomented everywhere.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • jon-nycJ Online
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                jon-nyc
                wrote on last edited by
                #70

                A burden I guess I’ll have to just bear.

                You were warned.

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                • HoraceH Offline
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                  Horace
                  wrote on last edited by Horace
                  #71

                  Please bear it like a princess bears a tiara, till you lose patience and let the inner 16 year old boy out with his insults. That's the most fun cycle to watch.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #72

                    You can’t get through three posts without an insult and I’m the sixteen year old?

                    You were warned.

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Online
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                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #73

                      You two should get a room separate sub-forum.

                      I was only joking

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                        You two should get a room separate sub-forum.

                        George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #74

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Andrew Sullivan: This is very Weimar:

                        You two should get a room separate sub-forum.

                        Jon's a mod. He could probably set it up...

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Andrew Sullivan: This is very Weimar:

                          You two should get a room separate sub-forum.

                          Jon's a mod. He could probably set it up...

                          Doctor PhibesD Online
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                          Doctor Phibes
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #75

                          @George-K said in Andrew Sullivan: This is very Weimar:

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Andrew Sullivan: This is very Weimar:

                          You two should get a room separate sub-forum.

                          Jon's a mod. He could probably set it up...

                          He could, and then not allow Horace posting privileges.

                          I was only joking

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                          • HoraceH Offline
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                            Horace
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #76

                            jon's already blocked all my great ideas from his mind. It's not dissimilar to blocking me from posting to a private sub forum.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • jon-nycJ Online
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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #77

                              It would be the other way around. I’d set up a subforum for your great ideas and then never go there.

                              You were warned.

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                That’s quite disingenuous as you know full well I blame the far left constantly for the action and the moderate left for the enabling. You participate in threads where I do that all the time.

                                Keep in mind all of this is in response to Trump warning us about what Biden’s America might look like by showing us footage of what Trump’s America actually looks like.

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                                taiwan_girl
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #78

                                @jon-nyc said in Andrew Sullivan: This is very Weimar:

                                Keep in mind all of this is in response to Trump warning us about what Biden’s America might look like by showing us footage of what Trump’s America actually looks like.

                                I have to admit this is kind of funny. President Trump shows videos and talks about what is happening as what would happen under President Biden.

                                Wait a second????!!! Who is the president right now? LOL

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #79

                                  Yeah the subtext of the convention was basically ‘if Trump were president none of this would be happening’.

                                  You were warned.

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                                  • HoraceH Offline
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                                    Horace
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #80

                                    It makes perfect sense for Trump to point to the riots and run against them. The only people guffawing are the people who don't like him anyway and are only too happy to blame bad stuff on him, no matter how flimsy the connection.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • HoraceH Horace

                                      It makes perfect sense for Trump to point to the riots and run against them. The only people guffawing are the people who don't like him anyway and are only too happy to blame bad stuff on him, no matter how flimsy the connection.

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                                      taiwan_girl
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #81

                                      @Horace I agree it makes perfect sense, but don’t you see the ironic in what he says?

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                                      • HoraceH Offline
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                                        Horace
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #82

                                        Yes, I understand why you think it is ironic.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • RainmanR Offline
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                                          Rainman
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #83

                                          Jon said somewhere above:

                                          What I am doing is saying that
                                          (1) his general divisiveness feeds this
                                          (2) his words and deeds have served to fan the flames
                                          (3). Different words and deeds could have cooled the flames or at least fanned them less

                                          Funny, that's EXACTLY what I thought about Obama. I remember times (e.g., black college prof breaking into his own house, police showed up) as well as other times when Obama actually invited the issue (person) to the White House.
                                          And, I remember thinking how he smiles and acts all superior-like with his lofty intellectualism, where it was obvious what he was doing was fanning the flames to deteriorate race relations. I still think Obama does the same thing: pretend to unite while actually working to divide, the guy in general doesn't like white people.

                                          So we're back to Sweep Under Your Own Porch land.

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