Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT
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Just scanning headlines and twitter. It’s hard to find anyone who thinks Trump won except people whose job it is to say Trump won.
@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Just scanning headlines and twitter. It’s hard to find anyone who thinks Trump won except people whose job it is to say Trump won.
From what I saw, they both spouted lies and stuck to their talking points. I think Kamala "won" (whatever that means) as Trump was more annoying in that he kept repeating the same non-answer over and over about immigration, and Kamala was able to get in a few points that spoke directly to the viewer at home about prioritizing them (housing, costs, etc).
I wish Trump had made it more of a point to ask her "why haven't you done that over the last 3 years then?" or even with Roe v Wade, Trump did ask Kamala at which month is it ok to kill an unborn baby (she dodged the question), but Trump should've said "Roe vs Wade only protects abortion up to viability, so Kamala do you support abortion even after viability?"
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@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Just scanning headlines and twitter. It’s hard to find anyone who thinks Trump won except people whose job it is to say Trump won.
From what I saw, they both spouted lies and stuck to their talking points. I think Kamala "won" (whatever that means) as Trump was more annoying in that he kept repeating the same non-answer over and over about immigration, and Kamala was able to get in a few points that spoke directly to the viewer at home about prioritizing them (housing, costs, etc).
I wish Trump had made it more of a point to ask her "why haven't you done that over the last 3 years then?" or even with Roe v Wade, Trump did ask Kamala at which month is it ok to kill an unborn baby (she dodged the question), but Trump should've said "Roe vs Wade only protects abortion up to viability, so Kamala do you support abortion even after viability?"
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Trump has ‘tells’ too. Like when he lies, his lips start moving. Look for it.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@George-K said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Yeah, the "partial birth abortion" segment was particularly bad.
That was in the few minutes I caught. The question was about his repeated flip flops and dissembling on his abortion beliefs. I actually learned that he flip flopped again on the 6 week bill the day after I posted here that he wasn’t voting for it.
So I can say I learned something watching the debate.
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@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Trump has ‘tells’ too. Like when he lies, his lips start moving. Look for it.
When he knows fuck all about something he typically says "Nobody knows more about XXX than I do".
Incidentally, by XXX I don't mean movies. He almost certainly does know a fair bit about those.
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The point I was making was how Muir covered for Harris - saying that "no law exists allowing infanticide."
That's true, but more than clearly not in the spirit that former Gov. Northam and current Gov. Walz have.
Mr. Muir is not there to add "context" to what the debaters say. He's there to ask questions, not cover for them.
How many times did they challenge Harris's statements?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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The point I was making was how Muir covered for Harris - saying that "no law exists allowing infanticide."
That's true, but more than clearly not in the spirit that former Gov. Northam and current Gov. Walz have.
Mr. Muir is not there to add "context" to what the debaters say. He's there to ask questions, not cover for them.
How many times did they challenge Harris's statements?
@George-K said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
How many times did they challenge Harris's statements?
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This is one time where I'm glad I watched it rather than listening to the pundits. Trump was Trump and probably should have left out the pets being eaten and the abortion after the 9th month stuff - but he came across as strong. The moderators likely make him look a bit like a "victim" which fits well with his narrative of "they're out to get me." She did well to the extent that she didn't talk about defeating Medicare. The key issue is how well this played with those handful of undecideds. Whatever Harris may have gained from showing herself to be capable of coherent speech doesn't play greater than Trump's being able to play the victim. I think it was a wash.
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The point I was making was how Muir covered for Harris - saying that "no law exists allowing infanticide."
That's true, but more than clearly not in the spirit that former Gov. Northam and current Gov. Walz have.
Mr. Muir is not there to add "context" to what the debaters say. He's there to ask questions, not cover for them.
How many times did they challenge Harris's statements?
@George-K said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
The point I was making was how Muir covered for Harris - saying that "no law exists allowing infanticide."
That's true, but more than clearly not in the spirit that former Gov. Northam and current Gov. Walz have.
Mr. Muir is not there to add "context" to what the debaters say. He's there to ask questions, not cover for them.
How many times did they challenge Harris's statements?
They "fact checked" Trump five times
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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This is one time where I'm glad I watched it rather than listening to the pundits. Trump was Trump and probably should have left out the pets being eaten and the abortion after the 9th month stuff - but he came across as strong. The moderators likely make him look a bit like a "victim" which fits well with his narrative of "they're out to get me." She did well to the extent that she didn't talk about defeating Medicare. The key issue is how well this played with those handful of undecideds. Whatever Harris may have gained from showing herself to be capable of coherent speech doesn't play greater than Trump's being able to play the victim. I think it was a wash.
@kluurs said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
This is one time where I'm glad I watched it rather than listening to the pundits. Trump was Trump and probably should have left out the pets being eaten and the abortion after the 9th month stuff - but he came across as strong. The moderators likely make him look a bit like a "victim" which fits well with his narrative of "they're out to get me." She did well to the extent that she didn't talk about defeating Medicare. The key issue is how well this played with those handful of undecideds. Whatever Harris may have gained from showing herself to be capable of coherent speech doesn't play greater than Trump's being able to play the victim. I think it was a wash.
You're a better man than me, Gunga Din.
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Personal attacks by candidate:
Harris - 46%
Trump - 29%Who'd a thunk that one?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Hey Chat GPT, "How many times was donald trump fact checked in last night's debate?"
During the debate on September 10, 2024, Donald Trump was fact-checked multiple times by the moderators. According to reports, ABC moderators, including David Muir, challenged Trump on several claims, particularly about crime rates, election fraud, and other issues. In total, Trump was fact-checked at least eight times during the debate, with six of those claims being rated "false," one as "mostly false," and one as "true, but needing context." The fact-checking focused on various topics, including his assertions about crime rates and his baseless claims regarding the 2020 election results(PolitiFact)(Newsweek).
LOL....
"How many times was kamala harris fact checked in last night's debate?"
Kamala Harris was fact-checked online 11 times during the September 10, 2024 debate. Of these claims, two were rated as "false," two as "true," one as "partly true," one as "mostly true," four required additional context, and one was rated "true, but needing context." These fact-checks covered a range of topics, including oil production and trade deficits(
PolitiFact)(Newsweek)."How many times was kamala harris fact checked by moderators in last night's debate?"
During the September 10, 2024 debate, the ABC News moderators did not fact-check Kamala Harris. While Donald Trump was fact-checked multiple times (at least four), Harris's claims went unchallenged by the moderators throughout the 90-minute debate. This raised some criticism from Trump and his supporters, who argued that the moderators gave Harris a pass while focusing more on fact-checking Trump.
Of course, ChatGPT spins it as "MAGATs pounce."
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@Jolly said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Personal attacks by candidate:
Harris - 46%
Trump - 29%Who'd a thunk that one?
I’m having trouble making sense of those percentages. Were the moderators responsible for the remaining 25% of personal attacks?
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@George-K said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
The point I was making was how Muir covered for Harris - saying that "no law exists allowing infanticide."
That's true, but more than clearly not in the spirit that former Gov. Northam and current Gov. Walz have.
Mr. Muir is not there to add "context" to what the debaters say. He's there to ask questions, not cover for them.
How many times did they challenge Harris's statements?
They "fact checked" Trump five times
@Jolly said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
They "fact checked" Trump five times
Thanks for the Fact Check of the Fast Checkers being Fast Checked!
Seriously, I think it was each candidate's job to do the call outs. Or - post debate, the pundits can try and thoughtfully do that - though the audience will still recognize that there will be some bias in what is picked out as a misrepresentation of fact. With a debate, it opens a door to what is happening now - the sense that they did not do an even handed use of fact checking. AND- it wouldn't be possible in a debate to do instant review without interrupting the debate.
It's not to say that truth doesn't matter - but it was Kamala's or Trump's job to call them out. IF this were an interview, the interviewer can challenge the veracity of the statement - and should do that. This was not an interview.
