Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT
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wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 11:19 last edited by
As for Harris' facial expressions, I normally expect a trained lawyer to be more disciplined at maintaining a poker face. :man-shrugging:
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@LuFins-Dad said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
So what I learned tonight - Kamala is a gun owning proponent of fracking that loves George Bush and is super proud to be endorsed by Dick Cheney. Did I get that right?
Pretty close.
And ABC never called her on it.
Rumor is, WaPo is saying Harris wants another debate. That means her camp doesn't think she did well enough tonight.
wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 11:34 last edited by@Jolly said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
And ABC never called her on it.
Or on these comments:
- Repeated the "bloodbath" lie,
- Claimed that couples are currently being denied IVF treatment due to "Trump Abortion Ban" laws,
- Said Trump would sign a national abortion ban,
- Claimed that Project 2025 is Donald Trump's plan,
- Repeated the "fine people on both sides" lie,
- Lied about the Supreme Court's ruling on presidential immunity,
- Said Trump would "terminate" the Constitution if he's re-elected,
- Talked out of both sides of her mouth about the Afghanistan withdrawal and whose plan it was,
- Asserted that 140 police officers were hurt by violent rallygoers on January 6, 2021,
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Only watched small parts of the debate.
Trump ignored facts and logic and just made shit up, but his sentences were easy to parse and evoke emotions.
Harris was grounded in facts and logic, but her sentences were long and required more thinking to parse -- more Lincoln-Douglasesque but alas, this is the era of sound bites.
wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 11:34 last edited by@Axtremus said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
her sentences were long and required more thinking to parse
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wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 12:22 last edited by
Just scanning headlines and twitter. It’s hard to find anyone who thinks Trump won except people whose job it is to say Trump won.
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Just scanning headlines and twitter. It’s hard to find anyone who thinks Trump won except people whose job it is to say Trump won.
wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 12:31 last edited by George K 9 Nov 2024, 12:32@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Just scanning headlines and twitter. It’s hard to find anyone who thinks Trump won except people whose job it is to say Trump won.
Yup. The RWEC is saying she "came prepared," "exceeded expectations."
Rumor is she wants another.
Let's do it on Fox News this time, LOL.
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wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 12:52 last edited by
Reuters Reporter sat with 10 undecideds, all pretty much agreed Kamala won, but 6 of the 10 left leaning more towards Trump. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/some-undecided-voters-not-convinced-by-harris-after-debate-with-trump/ar-AA1qmVYz
The thing is he has less to lose in these debates. Everybody pretty much knows he’s a sleazy asshole. Kamala pretty much just attacked him while providing little or no policy substance beyond her child tax credit and vagaries about building more homes…
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Just scanning headlines and twitter. It’s hard to find anyone who thinks Trump won except people whose job it is to say Trump won.
wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 13:07 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Just scanning headlines and twitter. It’s hard to find anyone who thinks Trump won except people whose job it is to say Trump won.
From what I saw, they both spouted lies and stuck to their talking points. I think Kamala "won" (whatever that means) as Trump was more annoying in that he kept repeating the same non-answer over and over about immigration, and Kamala was able to get in a few points that spoke directly to the viewer at home about prioritizing them (housing, costs, etc).
I wish Trump had made it more of a point to ask her "why haven't you done that over the last 3 years then?" or even with Roe v Wade, Trump did ask Kamala at which month is it ok to kill an unborn baby (she dodged the question), but Trump should've said "Roe vs Wade only protects abortion up to viability, so Kamala do you support abortion even after viability?"
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@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Just scanning headlines and twitter. It’s hard to find anyone who thinks Trump won except people whose job it is to say Trump won.
From what I saw, they both spouted lies and stuck to their talking points. I think Kamala "won" (whatever that means) as Trump was more annoying in that he kept repeating the same non-answer over and over about immigration, and Kamala was able to get in a few points that spoke directly to the viewer at home about prioritizing them (housing, costs, etc).
I wish Trump had made it more of a point to ask her "why haven't you done that over the last 3 years then?" or even with Roe v Wade, Trump did ask Kamala at which month is it ok to kill an unborn baby (she dodged the question), but Trump should've said "Roe vs Wade only protects abortion up to viability, so Kamala do you support abortion even after viability?"
wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 13:27 last edited by@89th said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
I wish Trump had made it more of a point to ask her "why haven't you done that over the last 3 years then?"
Yes.
IT would have been an easy thing.
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wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 13:53 last edited by
As one talking head said this morning, ABC made CNN look good.
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wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 13:56 last edited by
Yeah, the "partial birth abortion" segment was particularly bad.
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wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 13:57 last edited by
Speaking of Kamala-lama-ding-dong...My wife made the observation that when trying to defend anything remotely connected to her record, her voice becomes even more nasal.
It's like a poker "tell". Watch for it.
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wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 14:01 last edited by
Trump has ‘tells’ too. Like when he lies, his lips start moving. Look for it.
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@George-K said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Yeah, the "partial birth abortion" segment was particularly bad.
That was in the few minutes I caught. The question was about his repeated flip flops and dissembling on his abortion beliefs. I actually learned that he flip flopped again on the 6 week bill the day after I posted here that he wasn’t voting for it.
So I can say I learned something watching the debate.
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@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Trump has ‘tells’ too. Like when he lies, his lips start moving. Look for it.
When he knows fuck all about something he typically says "Nobody knows more about XXX than I do".
Incidentally, by XXX I don't mean movies. He almost certainly does know a fair bit about those.
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wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 14:06 last edited by
The point I was making was how Muir covered for Harris - saying that "no law exists allowing infanticide."
That's true, but more than clearly not in the spirit that former Gov. Northam and current Gov. Walz have.
Mr. Muir is not there to add "context" to what the debaters say. He's there to ask questions, not cover for them.
How many times did they challenge Harris's statements?
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The point I was making was how Muir covered for Harris - saying that "no law exists allowing infanticide."
That's true, but more than clearly not in the spirit that former Gov. Northam and current Gov. Walz have.
Mr. Muir is not there to add "context" to what the debaters say. He's there to ask questions, not cover for them.
How many times did they challenge Harris's statements?
wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 14:07 last edited by@George-K said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
How many times did they challenge Harris's statements?