Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT
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Reuters Reporter sat with 10 undecideds, all pretty much agreed Kamala won, but 6 of the 10 left leaning more towards Trump. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/some-undecided-voters-not-convinced-by-harris-after-debate-with-trump/ar-AA1qmVYz
The thing is he has less to lose in these debates. Everybody pretty much knows he’s a sleazy asshole. Kamala pretty much just attacked him while providing little or no policy substance beyond her child tax credit and vagaries about building more homes…
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Just scanning headlines and twitter. It’s hard to find anyone who thinks Trump won except people whose job it is to say Trump won.
wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 13:07 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Just scanning headlines and twitter. It’s hard to find anyone who thinks Trump won except people whose job it is to say Trump won.
From what I saw, they both spouted lies and stuck to their talking points. I think Kamala "won" (whatever that means) as Trump was more annoying in that he kept repeating the same non-answer over and over about immigration, and Kamala was able to get in a few points that spoke directly to the viewer at home about prioritizing them (housing, costs, etc).
I wish Trump had made it more of a point to ask her "why haven't you done that over the last 3 years then?" or even with Roe v Wade, Trump did ask Kamala at which month is it ok to kill an unborn baby (she dodged the question), but Trump should've said "Roe vs Wade only protects abortion up to viability, so Kamala do you support abortion even after viability?"
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@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Just scanning headlines and twitter. It’s hard to find anyone who thinks Trump won except people whose job it is to say Trump won.
From what I saw, they both spouted lies and stuck to their talking points. I think Kamala "won" (whatever that means) as Trump was more annoying in that he kept repeating the same non-answer over and over about immigration, and Kamala was able to get in a few points that spoke directly to the viewer at home about prioritizing them (housing, costs, etc).
I wish Trump had made it more of a point to ask her "why haven't you done that over the last 3 years then?" or even with Roe v Wade, Trump did ask Kamala at which month is it ok to kill an unborn baby (she dodged the question), but Trump should've said "Roe vs Wade only protects abortion up to viability, so Kamala do you support abortion even after viability?"
wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 13:27 last edited by@89th said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
I wish Trump had made it more of a point to ask her "why haven't you done that over the last 3 years then?"
Yes.
IT would have been an easy thing.
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As one talking head said this morning, ABC made CNN look good.
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Yeah, the "partial birth abortion" segment was particularly bad.
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Speaking of Kamala-lama-ding-dong...My wife made the observation that when trying to defend anything remotely connected to her record, her voice becomes even more nasal.
It's like a poker "tell". Watch for it.
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wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 14:01 last edited by
Trump has ‘tells’ too. Like when he lies, his lips start moving. Look for it.
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@George-K said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Yeah, the "partial birth abortion" segment was particularly bad.
That was in the few minutes I caught. The question was about his repeated flip flops and dissembling on his abortion beliefs. I actually learned that he flip flopped again on the 6 week bill the day after I posted here that he wasn’t voting for it.
So I can say I learned something watching the debate.
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@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Trump has ‘tells’ too. Like when he lies, his lips start moving. Look for it.
When he knows fuck all about something he typically says "Nobody knows more about XXX than I do".
Incidentally, by XXX I don't mean movies. He almost certainly does know a fair bit about those.
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wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 14:06 last edited by
The point I was making was how Muir covered for Harris - saying that "no law exists allowing infanticide."
That's true, but more than clearly not in the spirit that former Gov. Northam and current Gov. Walz have.
Mr. Muir is not there to add "context" to what the debaters say. He's there to ask questions, not cover for them.
How many times did they challenge Harris's statements?
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The point I was making was how Muir covered for Harris - saying that "no law exists allowing infanticide."
That's true, but more than clearly not in the spirit that former Gov. Northam and current Gov. Walz have.
Mr. Muir is not there to add "context" to what the debaters say. He's there to ask questions, not cover for them.
How many times did they challenge Harris's statements?
wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 14:07 last edited by@George-K said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
How many times did they challenge Harris's statements?
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wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 14:11 last edited by kluurs 9 Nov 2024, 14:12
This is one time where I'm glad I watched it rather than listening to the pundits. Trump was Trump and probably should have left out the pets being eaten and the abortion after the 9th month stuff - but he came across as strong. The moderators likely make him look a bit like a "victim" which fits well with his narrative of "they're out to get me." She did well to the extent that she didn't talk about defeating Medicare. The key issue is how well this played with those handful of undecideds. Whatever Harris may have gained from showing herself to be capable of coherent speech doesn't play greater than Trump's being able to play the victim. I think it was a wash.
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wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 14:19 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Trump has ‘tells’ too. Like when he lies, his lips start moving. Look for it.
Do better.
That's sophomoric horseshit. -
The point I was making was how Muir covered for Harris - saying that "no law exists allowing infanticide."
That's true, but more than clearly not in the spirit that former Gov. Northam and current Gov. Walz have.
Mr. Muir is not there to add "context" to what the debaters say. He's there to ask questions, not cover for them.
How many times did they challenge Harris's statements?
wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 14:20 last edited by@George-K said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
The point I was making was how Muir covered for Harris - saying that "no law exists allowing infanticide."
That's true, but more than clearly not in the spirit that former Gov. Northam and current Gov. Walz have.
Mr. Muir is not there to add "context" to what the debaters say. He's there to ask questions, not cover for them.
How many times did they challenge Harris's statements?
They "fact checked" Trump five times
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This is one time where I'm glad I watched it rather than listening to the pundits. Trump was Trump and probably should have left out the pets being eaten and the abortion after the 9th month stuff - but he came across as strong. The moderators likely make him look a bit like a "victim" which fits well with his narrative of "they're out to get me." She did well to the extent that she didn't talk about defeating Medicare. The key issue is how well this played with those handful of undecideds. Whatever Harris may have gained from showing herself to be capable of coherent speech doesn't play greater than Trump's being able to play the victim. I think it was a wash.
wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 14:22 last edited by@kluurs said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
This is one time where I'm glad I watched it rather than listening to the pundits. Trump was Trump and probably should have left out the pets being eaten and the abortion after the 9th month stuff - but he came across as strong. The moderators likely make him look a bit like a "victim" which fits well with his narrative of "they're out to get me." She did well to the extent that she didn't talk about defeating Medicare. The key issue is how well this played with those handful of undecideds. Whatever Harris may have gained from showing herself to be capable of coherent speech doesn't play greater than Trump's being able to play the victim. I think it was a wash.
You're a better man than me, Gunga Din.
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wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 14:23 last edited by
Personal attacks by candidate:
Harris - 46%
Trump - 29%Who'd a thunk that one?
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@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Hey Chat GPT, "How many times was donald trump fact checked in last night's debate?"
During the debate on September 10, 2024, Donald Trump was fact-checked multiple times by the moderators. According to reports, ABC moderators, including David Muir, challenged Trump on several claims, particularly about crime rates, election fraud, and other issues. In total, Trump was fact-checked at least eight times during the debate, with six of those claims being rated "false," one as "mostly false," and one as "true, but needing context." The fact-checking focused on various topics, including his assertions about crime rates and his baseless claims regarding the 2020 election results(PolitiFact)(Newsweek).
LOL....
"How many times was kamala harris fact checked in last night's debate?"
Kamala Harris was fact-checked online 11 times during the September 10, 2024 debate. Of these claims, two were rated as "false," two as "true," one as "partly true," one as "mostly true," four required additional context, and one was rated "true, but needing context." These fact-checks covered a range of topics, including oil production and trade deficits(
PolitiFact)(Newsweek)."How many times was kamala harris fact checked by moderators in last night's debate?"
During the September 10, 2024 debate, the ABC News moderators did not fact-check Kamala Harris. While Donald Trump was fact-checked multiple times (at least four), Harris's claims went unchallenged by the moderators throughout the 90-minute debate. This raised some criticism from Trump and his supporters, who argued that the moderators gave Harris a pass while focusing more on fact-checking Trump.
Of course, ChatGPT spins it as "MAGATs pounce."