Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT
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Only watched small parts of the debate.
Trump ignored facts and logic and just made shit up, but his sentences were easy to parse and evoke emotions.
Harris was grounded in facts and logic, but her sentences were long and required more thinking to parse -- more Lincoln-Douglasesque but alas, this is the era of sound bites.
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Just scanning headlines and twitter. It’s hard to find anyone who thinks Trump won except people whose job it is to say Trump won.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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Just scanning headlines and twitter. It’s hard to find anyone who thinks Trump won except people whose job it is to say Trump won.
@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Just scanning headlines and twitter. It’s hard to find anyone who thinks Trump won except people whose job it is to say Trump won.
Yup. The RWEC is saying she "came prepared," "exceeded expectations."
Rumor is she wants another.
Let's do it on Fox News this time, LOL.
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Reuters Reporter sat with 10 undecideds, all pretty much agreed Kamala won, but 6 of the 10 left leaning more towards Trump. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/some-undecided-voters-not-convinced-by-harris-after-debate-with-trump/ar-AA1qmVYz
The thing is he has less to lose in these debates. Everybody pretty much knows he’s a sleazy asshole. Kamala pretty much just attacked him while providing little or no policy substance beyond her child tax credit and vagaries about building more homes…
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Just scanning headlines and twitter. It’s hard to find anyone who thinks Trump won except people whose job it is to say Trump won.
@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Just scanning headlines and twitter. It’s hard to find anyone who thinks Trump won except people whose job it is to say Trump won.
From what I saw, they both spouted lies and stuck to their talking points. I think Kamala "won" (whatever that means) as Trump was more annoying in that he kept repeating the same non-answer over and over about immigration, and Kamala was able to get in a few points that spoke directly to the viewer at home about prioritizing them (housing, costs, etc).
I wish Trump had made it more of a point to ask her "why haven't you done that over the last 3 years then?" or even with Roe v Wade, Trump did ask Kamala at which month is it ok to kill an unborn baby (she dodged the question), but Trump should've said "Roe vs Wade only protects abortion up to viability, so Kamala do you support abortion even after viability?"
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@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Just scanning headlines and twitter. It’s hard to find anyone who thinks Trump won except people whose job it is to say Trump won.
From what I saw, they both spouted lies and stuck to their talking points. I think Kamala "won" (whatever that means) as Trump was more annoying in that he kept repeating the same non-answer over and over about immigration, and Kamala was able to get in a few points that spoke directly to the viewer at home about prioritizing them (housing, costs, etc).
I wish Trump had made it more of a point to ask her "why haven't you done that over the last 3 years then?" or even with Roe v Wade, Trump did ask Kamala at which month is it ok to kill an unborn baby (she dodged the question), but Trump should've said "Roe vs Wade only protects abortion up to viability, so Kamala do you support abortion even after viability?"
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Trump has ‘tells’ too. Like when he lies, his lips start moving. Look for it.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@George-K said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Yeah, the "partial birth abortion" segment was particularly bad.
That was in the few minutes I caught. The question was about his repeated flip flops and dissembling on his abortion beliefs. I actually learned that he flip flopped again on the 6 week bill the day after I posted here that he wasn’t voting for it.
So I can say I learned something watching the debate.
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@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Trump has ‘tells’ too. Like when he lies, his lips start moving. Look for it.
When he knows fuck all about something he typically says "Nobody knows more about XXX than I do".
Incidentally, by XXX I don't mean movies. He almost certainly does know a fair bit about those.
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The point I was making was how Muir covered for Harris - saying that "no law exists allowing infanticide."
That's true, but more than clearly not in the spirit that former Gov. Northam and current Gov. Walz have.
Mr. Muir is not there to add "context" to what the debaters say. He's there to ask questions, not cover for them.
How many times did they challenge Harris's statements?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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The point I was making was how Muir covered for Harris - saying that "no law exists allowing infanticide."
That's true, but more than clearly not in the spirit that former Gov. Northam and current Gov. Walz have.
Mr. Muir is not there to add "context" to what the debaters say. He's there to ask questions, not cover for them.
How many times did they challenge Harris's statements?
@George-K said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
How many times did they challenge Harris's statements?
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This is one time where I'm glad I watched it rather than listening to the pundits. Trump was Trump and probably should have left out the pets being eaten and the abortion after the 9th month stuff - but he came across as strong. The moderators likely make him look a bit like a "victim" which fits well with his narrative of "they're out to get me." She did well to the extent that she didn't talk about defeating Medicare. The key issue is how well this played with those handful of undecideds. Whatever Harris may have gained from showing herself to be capable of coherent speech doesn't play greater than Trump's being able to play the victim. I think it was a wash.
