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89th

@Jolly said in Pets For Dinner:

Are we anti-Haitian immigrant? No, we're not.

So stop making up stories about them eating pets. Address the actual problem.

Like this.

89th

@Doctor-Phibes said in Pets For Dinner:

@Horace said in Pets For Dinner:

There is, in fact, such a thing as crime by illegal immigrants. Those stories tend to be systematically swept under the rug in reporting.

Right, so to tackle a lack of decent reporting, it's perfectly understandable for people to just make up stupid shit with no basis in reality.

And like this.

jon-nyc

@LuFins-Dad

Do I think Haitians are eating Fido? I rather doubt it, but as I have repeatedly said, that's not the real story here.

Seems like telling the real story would have been more effective. A list of a few towns with population sizes and influx, along a few anecdotes of real, documented problems. Then the response would have to confront the reality rather than mock the absurdity.

Horace

@Doctor-Phibes said in Pets For Dinner:

@LuFins-Dad said in Pets For Dinner:

https://www.classcreator.com/Charleroi-PA-Charleroi-Area-1990/class_classmates.cfm

My name's on that page. There's not an insignificant chance that my retirement was going to be based out of Charleroi, Karla and I had discussed it. This is extremely personal to me. The fact is that my home town is being destroyed as we speak. Every freaking day I see another report in my facebook feed of somebody being attacked or a Hatian drunk driver crashing onto somebody's porch or into their yard. The posts typically include the pictures and Police reports. The school I graduated from has fallen apart to economic stress and drugs.

Do I think Haitians are eating Fido? I rather doubt it, but as I have repeatedly said, that's not the real story here.

So, there's a big problem with an influx of Haitians. Isn't the best way to deal with this to talk about the actual problem?

Am I the only person here who sees that just making shit up isn't a good way to win an argument?

It's a way that happens. You can get outraged over this one. It seems to be living a short and ultimately futile life.

Meanwhile, "those neo nazis were some fine people" has existed for many, many years, and still makes an appearance in presidential debates the entire world watches. Something tells me your emotional reaction to that bit of fiction isn't quite on the level as this reaction. Hey we all have our biases, but outrage is rarely fairly distributed.

LuFins Dad

@jon-nyc said in Pets For Dinner:

@LuFins-Dad

Do I think Haitians are eating Fido? I rather doubt it, but as I have repeatedly said, that's not the real story here.

Seems like telling the real story would have been more effective. A list of a few towns with population sizes and influx, along a few anecdotes of real, documented problems. Then the response would have to confront the reality rather than mock the absurdity.

It's been posted in multiple places. I personally mentioned the problem just 2 weeks ago in a thread specifically discussing the pitfalls of illegal immigration and the ESL learners and the problems they are causing in public education. Barely a reaction. 89th commented about excellent examples... https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/post/297800

Bring up animals being eaten? A whole new level of discourse...

jon-nyc

These aren’t illegal.

LuFins Dad

@jon-nyc said in Pets For Dinner:

These aren’t illegal.

Look deeper. Quite a few of the 100,000 Haitians given TPS since 2021 have had their status expire without reapplying. That makes them illegal. And quite a few have come through the southern border and never actually applied.

Renauda

@Doctor-Phibes

Like 89, I too believe your observations and questions on this subject are valid and should be addressed rationally.

The influx of illegals affects virtually all Western states at this time. We all have skin in this game no matter where we reside or claim citizenship.

Doctor Phibes

@Horace said in Pets For Dinner:

Meanwhile, "those neo nazis were some fine people" has existed for many, many years, and still makes an appearance in presidential debates the entire world watches. Something tells me your emotional reaction to that bit of fiction isn't quite on the level as this reaction. Hey we all have our biases, but outrage is rarely fairly distributed.

I hate to have to point this out, but I'm not the one being overly emotional here. If you can't see that, I don't know what to say.

Mik

@Doctor-Phibes said in Pets For Dinner:

Am I the only person here who sees that just making shit up isn't a good way to win an argument?

Twenty years here and you make THAT argument?

Doctor Phibes

@Horace said in Pets For Dinner:

Meanwhile, "those neo nazis were some fine people" has existed for many, many years, and still makes an appearance in presidential debates the entire world watches. Something tells me your emotional reaction to that bit of fiction isn't quite on the level as this reaction. Hey we all have our biases, but outrage is rarely fairly distributed.

At this point, what difference does it make?

Horace

@Doctor-Phibes said in Pets For Dinner:

@Horace said in Pets For Dinner:

Meanwhile, "those neo nazis were some fine people" has existed for many, many years, and still makes an appearance in presidential debates the entire world watches. Something tells me your emotional reaction to that bit of fiction isn't quite on the level as this reaction. Hey we all have our biases, but outrage is rarely fairly distributed.

I hate to have to point this out, but I'm not the one being overly emotional here. If you can't see that, I don't know what to say.

I am sure that those who truly believe in the pet eating moral panic are emotional. I'm not aware of those people, but I trust that they exist.

Renauda

@Horace said in Pets For Dinner:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Pets For Dinner:

@Horace said in Pets For Dinner:

Meanwhile, "those neo nazis were some fine people" has existed for many, many years, and still makes an appearance in presidential debates the entire world watches. Something tells me your emotional reaction to that bit of fiction isn't quite on the level as this reaction. Hey we all have our biases, but outrage is rarely fairly distributed.

I hate to have to point this out, but I'm not the one being overly emotional here. If you can't see that, I don't know what to say.

I am sure that those who truly believe in the pet eating moral panic are emotional. I'm not aware of those people, but I trust that they exist.

Indeed it would that some have moved on from subscribing to and disseminating Coffee and Donut shop gossip to Coffee and Pet Shop gossip.

Jolly

@Doctor-Phibes said in Pets For Dinner:

@Horace said in Pets For Dinner:

Meanwhile, "those neo nazis were some fine people" has existed for many, many years, and still makes an appearance in presidential debates the entire world watches. Something tells me your emotional reaction to that bit of fiction isn't quite on the level as this reaction. Hey we all have our biases, but outrage is rarely fairly distributed.

At this point, what difference does it make?

It makes a difference to all the people tagged as racists who aren't.

Ever deal with a drunk? An obnoxious drunk?

Either you just walk away or if you don't have that option, you beat him. Not one of those one-lick and bounce around bullshit fights. I'm talking about you bring the Wrath of God and you whip that man until he can't get up. That's about the only two things you can do, since reasoning no longer works.

I'm afraid a lot of the country is becoming like this. Excuse me for being melodramatic, but people are just becoming tired of the bullshit. The woke bullshit. The racist bullshit. The inflation. The border bullshit. The Washington D.C. bullshit.

And Jon can laugh at me, but something is going to give. Whether the country swings right or left, I don't know. But I do know it will be driven by the middle-class and it will be carried out in a ruthless, efficient manner.

Horace

The "racist bullshit" made a headlining appearance in the middle of the world televised presidential debate, as Kamala trotted out the "fine people" line which paints Trump and by extension his supporters as cartoonish neo-nazi sympathizers. And the fact-checking moderators? They took a pass on that one.

Doctor Phibes

@Jolly said in Pets For Dinner:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Pets For Dinner:

@Horace said in Pets For Dinner:

Meanwhile, "those neo nazis were some fine people" has existed for many, many years, and still makes an appearance in presidential debates the entire world watches. Something tells me your emotional reaction to that bit of fiction isn't quite on the level as this reaction. Hey we all have our biases, but outrage is rarely fairly distributed.

At this point, what difference does it make?

It makes a difference to all the people tagged as racists who aren't.

You missed the point of my (admittedly smart-ass) post. I was responding to Horace's whataboutism with a famously taken out-of-context quote from the other side of the aisle.

I don't understand your resistance to accept that what Trump said was wrong. There is a real problem in this country and many others with illegal immigration. At the risk of being overly repetitious, making up stories about it really doesn't help.

If we want a serious debate, it might be an idea for at least one side to act like adults. This pet-eating bullshit is no worse than AOC breaking down in crocodile tears at the border, but that doesn't mean it's ok.

Jolly

Here's what a lot of people are missing in the pet for food story...Trump didn't use the story because he knew it was a lie. Trump was using something he had read in the media, something that he could believe was true.

As someone who lived in a town with a large section of recently arrived South Vietnamese, where you couldn't find a neighborhood dog by dragging a porterhouse steak down the street, I understand the thought process. After all, hadn't there been ducks, geese and other tame creatures coming up missing?

So, here's the legs on the cat story...It may not be true but it wasn't something a lot of people dismissed out of hand. That's your story, the story of too many people, quickly moved into one area and the problems that has brought.

jon-nyc

Had the perps been rural Chinese, Korean, or Vietnamese the story would have had much more plausibility.

Doctor Phibes

@Jolly said in Pets For Dinner:

Here's what a lot of people are missing in the pet for food story...Trump didn't use the story because he knew it was a lie. Trump was using something he had read in the media, something that he could believe was true.

Maybe someone who uses the term ‘fake news’ as often as he does should be a little more cautious.

Renauda

@jon-nyc said in Pets For Dinner:

Had the perps been rural Chinese, Korean, or Vietnamese the story would have had much more plausibility.

Indeed, I would imagine the local goat population would be more at risk of Haitians than the feline or canine.

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