Pets For Dinner
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@Horace said in Pets For Dinner:
Citizens of a country or a city being protective and proud of their culture will inevitably be framed as xenophobia and racism, but those conversations are being had all across the western world. The only people not allowed by western progressives to be proud and protective of their culture, are westerners themselves.
Right, so people making up stories about immigrants eating pets or, to take another recent example, murdering young girls, is just a reflection of cultural pride.
Lying about problems actually undermines perfectly good arguments to limit illegal (and for that matter, legal) immigration.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Pets For Dinner:
@Horace said in Pets For Dinner:
Citizens of a country or a city being protective and proud of their culture will inevitably be framed as xenophobia and racism, but those conversations are being had all across the western world. The only people not allowed by western progressives to be proud and protective of their culture, are westerners themselves.
Right, so people making up stories about immigrants eating pets or, to take another recent example, murdering young girls, is just a reflection of cultural pride.
Lying about problems actually undermines good arguments to limit immigration.
There is, in fact, such a thing as crime by illegal immigrants. Those stories tend to be systematically swept under the rug in reporting.
Education is extremely important.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Pets For Dinner:
@LuFins-Dad said in Pets For Dinner:
It’s not about whether they are eating the animals.
Not, it's about whether people listen to Trump's racist dog whistle or not. And clearly they will.
Sorry, sorry, we're not allowed to say it's racist. That's hopelessly left wing and stupid. Anti Haitian immigrant dog whistle.
Are we anti-Haitian immigrant? No, we're not.
We do have a problem when you dump 20,000 non-English speaking immigrants into a town of 50,000 people.
How'd you enjoy that?
@Jolly said in Pets For Dinner:
We do have a problem when you dump 20,000 non-English speaking immigrants into a town of 50,000 people.
My understanding is that didn’t happen. Most came by word of mouth as there were blue collar jobs to be had there.
The population dwindled to less than 60,000 by 2014, from more than 80,000 in 1960.
Around that time, Springfield crafted a strategic plan to attract business. City leaders pitched the town’s affordability, its work force development programs and its location, smack-dab between Columbus and Dayton and accessible to two interstates.
In 2017, Topre, a major Japanese auto parts manufacturer, picked Springfield for a new plant in a decaying part of town that had been the site of International Harvester, a farm equipment manufacturer that was once the biggest employer.
By 2020, Springfield had lured food-service firms, logistics companies and a microchip maker, among others, creating an estimated 8,000 new jobs and optimism for the future.“It was incredible to witness the transformation of our community,” said Horton Hobbs, vice president of economic development for the Greater Springfield Partnership, which executed the plan.
But soon there were not enough workers. Many young, working-age people had descended into addiction. Others shunned entry-level, rote work altogether, employers said.
Haitians who heard that the Springfield area boasted well-paying, blue-collar jobs and a low cost of living poured in, and employers were eager to hire and train the new work force.
I agree that kind of influx is destabilizing and I wouldn’t wish it on my town. But to think this was a top down decision is not correct.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Pets For Dinner:
@Horace said in Pets For Dinner:
Citizens of a country or a city being protective and proud of their culture will inevitably be framed as xenophobia and racism, but those conversations are being had all across the western world. The only people not allowed by western progressives to be proud and protective of their culture, are westerners themselves.
Right, so people making up stories about immigrants eating pets or, to take another recent example, murdering young girls, is just a reflection of cultural pride.
Lying about problems actually undermines good arguments to limit immigration.
There is, in fact, such a thing as crime by illegal immigrants. Those stories tend to be systematically swept under the rug in reporting.
@Horace said in Pets For Dinner:
There is, in fact, such a thing as crime by illegal immigrants. Those stories tend to be systematically swept under the rug in reporting.
Right, so to tackle a lack of decent reporting, it's perfectly understandable for people to just make up stupid shit with no basis in reality.
I was only joking
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@Jolly said in Pets For Dinner:
Are we anti-Haitian immigrant? No, we're not.
So stop making up stories about them eating pets. Address the actual problem.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Pets For Dinner:
@Jolly said in Pets For Dinner:
Are we anti-Haitian immigrant? No, we're not.
So stop making up stories about them eating pets. Address the actual problem.
I say this from the bottom of my
️...Fuck you. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. Most of the pitiful island you immigrated from has gone bloody nuts, because you're worried about appearances. It doesn't matter about your justice system,your freedom of speech or your national identity, as long as the Brits don't by God offend somebody.
It gets tiresome listening to drivel from assholes with absolutely no skin in the game telling people to STFU when their communities are overrun with more people than they can successfully assimilate.
America is not a racist country, not when measured by the yardstick used for the rest of the world. And it's tiresome being constantly accused of it.
Sometimes, I think it might have been better to let the deranged Austrian painter have yall's ass and been done with it. Maybe that's why Washington rightly told us to stay out of foreign entanglement.
Maybe all the wars we've fought since 1950, simply to keep a lid on things, maybe all the young men and women who came back in body bags, all the constant calls for us to do something to right the wrongs, from Ukraine to Korea to Taiwan...Were they worth it?
Were they worth the blood and treasure of all those sorry racist American bastards who walk out of all those little Southern towns, Midwestern cities and the Rust Belt, donning their country's uniform, pledging to protect and defend from all enemies foreign and domestic?
Tell me, critic. Tell me, is it worth it?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Horace said in Pets For Dinner:
There is, in fact, such a thing as crime by illegal immigrants. Those stories tend to be systematically swept under the rug in reporting.
Right, so to tackle a lack of decent reporting, it's perfectly understandable for people to just make up stupid shit with no basis in reality.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Pets For Dinner:
@Horace said in Pets For Dinner:
There is, in fact, such a thing as crime by illegal immigrants. Those stories tend to be systematically swept under the rug in reporting.
Right, so to tackle a lack of decent reporting, it's perfectly understandable for people to just make up stupid shit with no basis in reality.
All signs point to the pet eating being fictitious. Consider me outraged. Such giggle-worthy "laughing stock" sorts of memes are actually the only way discussions of cultural takeovers by immigrants of the west ever make it onto the mainstream pages of the internet, such as this one. Or Jon's twitter feed, which I consider an honorary member of TNCR.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Pets For Dinner:
@Jolly said in Pets For Dinner:
Are we anti-Haitian immigrant? No, we're not.
So stop making up stories about them eating pets. Address the actual problem.
I say this from the bottom of my
️...Fuck you. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. Most of the pitiful island you immigrated from has gone bloody nuts, because you're worried about appearances. It doesn't matter about your justice system,your freedom of speech or your national identity, as long as the Brits don't by God offend somebody.
It gets tiresome listening to drivel from assholes with absolutely no skin in the game telling people to STFU when their communities are overrun with more people than they can successfully assimilate.
America is not a racist country, not when measured by the yardstick used for the rest of the world. And it's tiresome being constantly accused of it.
Sometimes, I think it might have been better to let the deranged Austrian painter have yall's ass and been done with it. Maybe that's why Washington rightly told us to stay out of foreign entanglement.
Maybe all the wars we've fought since 1950, simply to keep a lid on things, maybe all the young men and women who came back in body bags, all the constant calls for us to do something to right the wrongs, from Ukraine to Korea to Taiwan...Were they worth it?
Were they worth the blood and treasure of all those sorry racist American bastards who walk out of all those little Southern towns, Midwestern cities and the Rust Belt, donning their country's uniform, pledging to protect and defend from all enemies foreign and domestic?
Tell me, critic. Tell me, is it worth it?
@Jolly said in Pets For Dinner:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Pets For Dinner:
@Jolly said in Pets For Dinner:
Are we anti-Haitian immigrant? No, we're not.
So stop making up stories about them eating pets. Address the actual problem.
I say this from the bottom of my
️...Fuck you. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. Most of the pitiful island you immigrated from has gone bloody nuts, because you're worried about appearances. It doesn't matter about your justice system,your freedom of speech or your national identity, as long as the Brits don't by God offend somebody.
It gets tiresome listening to drivel from assholes with absolutely no skin in the game telling people to STFU when their communities are overrun with more people than they can successfully assimilate.
America is not a racist country, not when measured by the yardstick used for the rest of the world. And it's tiresome being constantly accused of it.
Sometimes, I think it might have been better to let the deranged Austrian painter have yall's ass and been done with it. Maybe that's why Washington rightly told us to stay out of foreign entanglement.
Maybe all the wars we've fought since 1950, simply to keep a lid on things, maybe all the young men and women who came back in body bags, all the constant calls for us to do something to right the wrongs, from Ukraine to Korea to Taiwan...Were they worth it?
Were they worth the blood and treasure of all those sorry racist American bastards who walk out of all those little Southern towns, Midwestern cities and the Rust Belt, donning their country's uniform, pledging to protect and defend from all enemies foreign and domestic?
Tell me, critic. Tell me, is it worth it?
Predictably, you're failing to address my point and resorting to personal insults and irrelevant nonsense. I never said America was racist.
Making up stories about illegal immigrants isn't ok, but now you've moved on to making up stories about what I said, too.
At your age you should be able to have a discussion without making it personal. Your blood pressure might be something to consider, if nothing else.
And what on earth Donald Trump making up idiotic stores about Haitians has to do with Hitler, Korea, or the United Kingdom is completely beyond me.
I was only joking
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No, you're calling us racists. All of us. Every single one.
Right now, son, I could gladly lose my religion and slap you silly, mostly because you don't deserve to be hit like a grown man.
Maybe you can start crap and walk away from it in the land of liberals, but people would stand in line to whip your ass down here
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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https://www.classcreator.com/Charleroi-PA-Charleroi-Area-1990/class_classmates.cfm
My name's on that page. There's not an insignificant chance that my retirement was going to be based out of Charleroi, Karla and I had discussed it. This is extremely personal to me. The fact is that my home town is being destroyed as we speak. Every freaking day I see another report in my facebook feed of somebody being attacked or a Hatian drunk driver crashing onto somebody's porch or into their yard. The posts typically include the pictures and Police reports. The school I graduated from has fallen apart to economic stress and drugs.
Do I think Haitians are eating Fido? I rather doubt it, but as I have repeatedly said, that's not the real story here.
The Brad
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No, you're calling us racists. All of us. Every single one.
Right now, son, I could gladly lose my religion and slap you silly, mostly because you don't deserve to be hit like a grown man.
Maybe you can start crap and walk away from it in the land of liberals, but people would stand in line to whip your ass down here
@Jolly said in Pets For Dinner:
No, you're calling us racists. All of us. Every single one.
Right now, son, I could gladly lose my religion and slap you silly, mostly because you don't deserve to be hit like a grown man.
Maybe you can start crap and walk away from it in the land of liberals, but people would stand in line to whip your ass down here
No, I'm not calling you racists. Any of you. You're incapable of addressing my point about people making up stories, so now you're playing the fucking stupid card.
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https://www.classcreator.com/Charleroi-PA-Charleroi-Area-1990/class_classmates.cfm
My name's on that page. There's not an insignificant chance that my retirement was going to be based out of Charleroi, Karla and I had discussed it. This is extremely personal to me. The fact is that my home town is being destroyed as we speak. Every freaking day I see another report in my facebook feed of somebody being attacked or a Hatian drunk driver crashing onto somebody's porch or into their yard. The posts typically include the pictures and Police reports. The school I graduated from has fallen apart to economic stress and drugs.
Do I think Haitians are eating Fido? I rather doubt it, but as I have repeatedly said, that's not the real story here.
@LuFins-Dad said in Pets For Dinner:
https://www.classcreator.com/Charleroi-PA-Charleroi-Area-1990/class_classmates.cfm
My name's on that page. There's not an insignificant chance that my retirement was going to be based out of Charleroi, Karla and I had discussed it. This is extremely personal to me. The fact is that my home town is being destroyed as we speak. Every freaking day I see another report in my facebook feed of somebody being attacked or a Hatian drunk driver crashing onto somebody's porch or into their yard. The posts typically include the pictures and Police reports. The school I graduated from has fallen apart to economic stress and drugs.
Do I think Haitians are eating Fido? I rather doubt it, but as I have repeatedly said, that's not the real story here.
So, there's a big problem with an influx of Haitians. Isn't the best way to deal with this to talk about the actual problem?
Am I the only person here who sees that just making shit up isn't a good way to win an argument?
I was only joking
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@Jolly said in Pets For Dinner:
Are we anti-Haitian immigrant? No, we're not.
So stop making up stories about them eating pets. Address the actual problem.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Pets For Dinner:
@Jolly said in Pets For Dinner:
Are we anti-Haitian immigrant? No, we're not.
So stop making up stories about them eating pets. Address the actual problem.
Like this.
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@Horace said in Pets For Dinner:
There is, in fact, such a thing as crime by illegal immigrants. Those stories tend to be systematically swept under the rug in reporting.
Right, so to tackle a lack of decent reporting, it's perfectly understandable for people to just make up stupid shit with no basis in reality.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Pets For Dinner:
@Horace said in Pets For Dinner:
There is, in fact, such a thing as crime by illegal immigrants. Those stories tend to be systematically swept under the rug in reporting.
Right, so to tackle a lack of decent reporting, it's perfectly understandable for people to just make up stupid shit with no basis in reality.
And like this.
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https://www.classcreator.com/Charleroi-PA-Charleroi-Area-1990/class_classmates.cfm
My name's on that page. There's not an insignificant chance that my retirement was going to be based out of Charleroi, Karla and I had discussed it. This is extremely personal to me. The fact is that my home town is being destroyed as we speak. Every freaking day I see another report in my facebook feed of somebody being attacked or a Hatian drunk driver crashing onto somebody's porch or into their yard. The posts typically include the pictures and Police reports. The school I graduated from has fallen apart to economic stress and drugs.
Do I think Haitians are eating Fido? I rather doubt it, but as I have repeatedly said, that's not the real story here.
Do I think Haitians are eating Fido? I rather doubt it, but as I have repeatedly said, that's not the real story here.
Seems like telling the real story would have been more effective. A list of a few towns with population sizes and influx, along a few anecdotes of real, documented problems. Then the response would have to confront the reality rather than mock the absurdity.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@LuFins-Dad said in Pets For Dinner:
https://www.classcreator.com/Charleroi-PA-Charleroi-Area-1990/class_classmates.cfm
My name's on that page. There's not an insignificant chance that my retirement was going to be based out of Charleroi, Karla and I had discussed it. This is extremely personal to me. The fact is that my home town is being destroyed as we speak. Every freaking day I see another report in my facebook feed of somebody being attacked or a Hatian drunk driver crashing onto somebody's porch or into their yard. The posts typically include the pictures and Police reports. The school I graduated from has fallen apart to economic stress and drugs.
Do I think Haitians are eating Fido? I rather doubt it, but as I have repeatedly said, that's not the real story here.
So, there's a big problem with an influx of Haitians. Isn't the best way to deal with this to talk about the actual problem?
Am I the only person here who sees that just making shit up isn't a good way to win an argument?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Pets For Dinner:
@LuFins-Dad said in Pets For Dinner:
https://www.classcreator.com/Charleroi-PA-Charleroi-Area-1990/class_classmates.cfm
My name's on that page. There's not an insignificant chance that my retirement was going to be based out of Charleroi, Karla and I had discussed it. This is extremely personal to me. The fact is that my home town is being destroyed as we speak. Every freaking day I see another report in my facebook feed of somebody being attacked or a Hatian drunk driver crashing onto somebody's porch or into their yard. The posts typically include the pictures and Police reports. The school I graduated from has fallen apart to economic stress and drugs.
Do I think Haitians are eating Fido? I rather doubt it, but as I have repeatedly said, that's not the real story here.
So, there's a big problem with an influx of Haitians. Isn't the best way to deal with this to talk about the actual problem?
Am I the only person here who sees that just making shit up isn't a good way to win an argument?
It's a way that happens. You can get outraged over this one. It seems to be living a short and ultimately futile life.
Meanwhile, "those neo nazis were some fine people" has existed for many, many years, and still makes an appearance in presidential debates the entire world watches. Something tells me your emotional reaction to that bit of fiction isn't quite on the level as this reaction. Hey we all have our biases, but outrage is rarely fairly distributed.
Education is extremely important.
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Do I think Haitians are eating Fido? I rather doubt it, but as I have repeatedly said, that's not the real story here.
Seems like telling the real story would have been more effective. A list of a few towns with population sizes and influx, along a few anecdotes of real, documented problems. Then the response would have to confront the reality rather than mock the absurdity.
@jon-nyc said in Pets For Dinner:
Do I think Haitians are eating Fido? I rather doubt it, but as I have repeatedly said, that's not the real story here.
Seems like telling the real story would have been more effective. A list of a few towns with population sizes and influx, along a few anecdotes of real, documented problems. Then the response would have to confront the reality rather than mock the absurdity.
It's been posted in multiple places. I personally mentioned the problem just 2 weeks ago in a thread specifically discussing the pitfalls of illegal immigration and the ESL learners and the problems they are causing in public education. Barely a reaction. 89th commented about excellent examples... https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/post/297800
Bring up animals being eaten? A whole new level of discourse...
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@jon-nyc said in Pets For Dinner:
These aren’t illegal.
Look deeper. Quite a few of the 100,000 Haitians given TPS since 2021 have had their status expire without reapplying. That makes them illegal. And quite a few have come through the southern border and never actually applied.
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@Jolly said in Pets For Dinner:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Pets For Dinner:
@Jolly said in Pets For Dinner:
Are we anti-Haitian immigrant? No, we're not.
So stop making up stories about them eating pets. Address the actual problem.
I say this from the bottom of my
️...Fuck you. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. Most of the pitiful island you immigrated from has gone bloody nuts, because you're worried about appearances. It doesn't matter about your justice system,your freedom of speech or your national identity, as long as the Brits don't by God offend somebody.
It gets tiresome listening to drivel from assholes with absolutely no skin in the game telling people to STFU when their communities are overrun with more people than they can successfully assimilate.
America is not a racist country, not when measured by the yardstick used for the rest of the world. And it's tiresome being constantly accused of it.
Sometimes, I think it might have been better to let the deranged Austrian painter have yall's ass and been done with it. Maybe that's why Washington rightly told us to stay out of foreign entanglement.
Maybe all the wars we've fought since 1950, simply to keep a lid on things, maybe all the young men and women who came back in body bags, all the constant calls for us to do something to right the wrongs, from Ukraine to Korea to Taiwan...Were they worth it?
Were they worth the blood and treasure of all those sorry racist American bastards who walk out of all those little Southern towns, Midwestern cities and the Rust Belt, donning their country's uniform, pledging to protect and defend from all enemies foreign and domestic?
Tell me, critic. Tell me, is it worth it?
Predictably, you're failing to address my point and resorting to personal insults and irrelevant nonsense. I never said America was racist.
Making up stories about illegal immigrants isn't ok, but now you've moved on to making up stories about what I said, too.
At your age you should be able to have a discussion without making it personal. Your blood pressure might be something to consider, if nothing else.
And what on earth Donald Trump making up idiotic stores about Haitians has to do with Hitler, Korea, or the United Kingdom is completely beyond me.
Like 89, I too believe your observations and questions on this subject are valid and should be addressed rationally.
The influx of illegals affects virtually all Western states at this time. We all have skin in this game no matter where we reside or claim citizenship.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Pets For Dinner:
@LuFins-Dad said in Pets For Dinner:
https://www.classcreator.com/Charleroi-PA-Charleroi-Area-1990/class_classmates.cfm
My name's on that page. There's not an insignificant chance that my retirement was going to be based out of Charleroi, Karla and I had discussed it. This is extremely personal to me. The fact is that my home town is being destroyed as we speak. Every freaking day I see another report in my facebook feed of somebody being attacked or a Hatian drunk driver crashing onto somebody's porch or into their yard. The posts typically include the pictures and Police reports. The school I graduated from has fallen apart to economic stress and drugs.
Do I think Haitians are eating Fido? I rather doubt it, but as I have repeatedly said, that's not the real story here.
So, there's a big problem with an influx of Haitians. Isn't the best way to deal with this to talk about the actual problem?
Am I the only person here who sees that just making shit up isn't a good way to win an argument?
It's a way that happens. You can get outraged over this one. It seems to be living a short and ultimately futile life.
Meanwhile, "those neo nazis were some fine people" has existed for many, many years, and still makes an appearance in presidential debates the entire world watches. Something tells me your emotional reaction to that bit of fiction isn't quite on the level as this reaction. Hey we all have our biases, but outrage is rarely fairly distributed.
@Horace said in Pets For Dinner:
Meanwhile, "those neo nazis were some fine people" has existed for many, many years, and still makes an appearance in presidential debates the entire world watches. Something tells me your emotional reaction to that bit of fiction isn't quite on the level as this reaction. Hey we all have our biases, but outrage is rarely fairly distributed.
I hate to have to point this out, but I'm not the one being overly emotional here. If you can't see that, I don't know what to say.
I was only joking
