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  • HoraceH Horace

    A more meaningful social datapoint might be observed in such things as MSNBC preemptively gagging its mainstream left talking heads, to prevent them from saying what we all know is in their hearts.

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    @Horace

    Witness your wishcasting about a piece of glass hitting Trump rather than a bullet.

    George posted that. Minutes later I just reminded you we still don’t know what happened.

    Want wishcasting? How many different people have helpfully reminded us that, even though he’s a registered republican, maybe his heart wasn’t in it.

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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      @Horace

      Witness your wishcasting about a piece of glass hitting Trump rather than a bullet.

      George posted that. Minutes later I just reminded you we still don’t know what happened.

      Want wishcasting? How many different people have helpfully reminded us that, even though he’s a registered republican, maybe his heart wasn’t in it.

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      @jon-nyc said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

      @Horace

      Witness your wishcasting about a piece of glass hitting Trump rather than a bullet.

      George posted that. Minutes later I just reminded you we still don’t know what happened.

      George posted as a curiosity and you became invested in it, because the rhetorical difference between “shot” and “hit by broken glass from a ricochet” was important to you. Nobody forced you to think of that as important.

      Want wishcasting? How many different people have helpfully reminded us that, even though he’s a registered republican, maybe his heart wasn’t in it.

      His motivation, the motivation of a kid of some arbitrarily minimal connection to reason and reality, does not form the basis of much of anything. Other than rhetoric. Some people are more heavily invested in rhetoric than others. Jan 6 insurrection much?

      Education is extremely important.

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        @jon-nyc If Trump is “literally Hitler”, don’t you have a moral obligation to stop him any way possible?

        The Brad

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          Apparently the parents (2 professional social workers and counselors) called the police hours before. They didn’t know what he was planning but knew something was wrong.
          https://www.foxnews.com/us/trump-shooters-parents-called-police-hours-before-assassination-attempt

          The Brad

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          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

            @jon-nyc If Trump is “literally Hitler”, don’t you have a moral obligation to stop him any way possible?

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            jon-nyc
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            @LuFins-Dad said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

            @jon-nyc If Trump is “literally Hitler”, don’t you have a moral obligation to stop him any way possible?

            One might believe that and feel that way. There’s no evidence crooks did.

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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              The ladies on The View are shocked, shocked that Crooks bought 50 rounds of ammunition.

              I'm told that's not enough to fill two AR-15 magazines.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • George KG George K

                The ladies on The View are shocked, shocked that Crooks bought 50 rounds of ammunition.

                I'm told that's not enough to fill two AR-15 magazines.

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                @George-K said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

                The ladies on The View are shocked, shocked that Crooks bought 50 rounds of ammunition.

                I'm told that's not enough to fill two AR-15 magazines.

                They come in 10, 20 and 30 round capacities. Thirty is what most militaries use, so it's the most common. Magpul makes a very popular, affordable mag.

                Personally, I like E-lander 30 round mags. They're made in Israel, are milspec and metal.

                As for the ammo...

                I'm guessing he paid around $30 or so. Because he bought 50 rounds, it's probably a single box of milspec FMJ. You want the FMJ to defeat a vest.

                I heard one dumbass on PMSNBC waxing stupidic about the rifle bullet should have blown Trump's ear off. No, not with a soft point, but definitely not with a FMJ. They don't expand much in tissue, and definitely not in an ear.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  @jon-nyc If Trump is “literally Hitler”, don’t you have a moral obligation to stop him any way possible?

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                  @LuFins-Dad said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

                  @jon-nyc If Trump is “literally Hitler”, don’t you have a moral obligation to stop him any way possible?

                  Baked into TDS is some sort of subliminal, unspoken agreement that it is not to be taken seriously. Another way in which TDS is essentially infantile. A tantrum which is to be endured with calm serenity by the adults in the room.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    @LuFins-Dad said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

                    @jon-nyc If Trump is “literally Hitler”, don’t you have a moral obligation to stop him any way possible?

                    One might believe that and feel that way. There’s no evidence crooks did.

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                    @jon-nyc said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

                    @LuFins-Dad said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

                    @jon-nyc If Trump is “literally Hitler”, don’t you have a moral obligation to stop him any way possible?

                    One might believe that and feel that way. There’s no evidence crooks did.

                    You say that like it would actually be meaningful if he did feel that way. But all it would do is require you to spend a few more calories rhetorically dancing around it. It’s not as if it would make anybody take a long look in the mirror and reconsider the sorts of hysterical narratives they’ve been reinforcing since 2015.

                    We don’t actually have any idea how many people have felt that way but got thwarted by secret service in a quiet way nobody ever heard about. It seems unlikely that that number is zero, but so? Only one person here is clearly heavily invested in the absence or presence of the rhetorical opportunities presented by Thomas Crooks. Those of us who’ve always been skeptical of histrionic TDS rhetoric have never needed a Crooks or a Secret Service face plant to make our case.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      Thanks, Lucy. Where do I send my nickel?

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        Thanks, Lucy. Where do I send my nickel?

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                        @jon-nyc said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

                        Thanks, Lucy. Where do I send my nickel?

                        I told you, send it to Trump 2024. That’s your penance for participating in the rhetoric that directly motivated Thomas Crooks to attempt to assassinate Donald Trump.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          Unlike JD Vance, I’ve never compared him to Hitler.

                          I mean, Hitler would have repealed Obamacare and passed an infrastructure bill.

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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                            Is this the shooter?

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                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              You tell us. Where’d you find that?

                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                              -Cormac McCarthy

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                                Tineye reverse image search found zero matches.

                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  You tell us. Where’d you find that?

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                                  @jon-nyc said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

                                  You tell us. Where’d you find that?

                                  Some rando on twitter. Not anyone I follow.

                                  Looks like Crooks, though.

                                  Yesterday, Mrs. George said, "He's just a kid - look he's wearing braces." Probably a picture from high school, or earlier.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Yeah the main photo of him I believe is from like 2021? The trans (mental illness) wouldn't be a stretch, as we've seen a few times before.

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                                    • MikM Mik

                                      I think the truth is that a sad, lonely young man made a very bad decision.

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                                      @Mik said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

                                      I think the truth is that a sad, lonely young man made a very bad decision.

                                      Agreed. Not that anyone cares, but my gut was this was just a dude who decided to see what he could get away with and likely live famously in history books. I lived long enough in DC to know that there are a billion security gaps if you really wanted to try to get away with something... and much easier when it's in the middle of the Pennsylvania countryside.

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                                        I e said this before but I’m surprised we don’t see more of it.

                                        Also I’d be curious to know how many potential shooters are thwarted, and how close they are when that happens.

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                          We have very little information to go on to gauge how often security measures prevent would be assassinations. The reason we know about this one, is the secret service face plant.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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