Thomas Crooks - what we know
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@Horace said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:
One detects the faint whiff of hope in the air, hope against hope, that the attempted assassination of Trump can be blamed on Trump.
No, one is choking on the vast plume of hope (assumption, really) that the assassination attempt can be blamed on the outgroup’s rhetoric even though there is not yet any evidence he was caught up in that.
@jon-nyc said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:
@Horace said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:
One detects the faint whiff of hope in the air, hope against hope, that the attempted assassination of Trump can be blamed on Trump.
No, one is choking on the vast plume of hope (assumption, really) that the assassination attempt can be blamed on the outgroup’s rhetoric even though there is not yet any evidence he was caught up in that.
There might be some projection there, as you are IMO more concerned with rhetorical talking points than most, and that concern extends to whether your out group has access to good rhetoric. Witness your wishcasting about a piece of glass hitting Trump rather than a bullet.
It’s not even that important what motivated a single arbitrarily crazy person to do something. The social effect of the rhetoric we are all surrounded with can hardly be judged by that, one way or another. We can each hold our own truths about whether the best of us express our goodness, and discernment of evil, with edgier and edgier hatred and disgust for Trump and his supporters. But the scent of the TDS patients is not quite as rosy as it once was.
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A more meaningful social datapoint might be observed in such things as MSNBC preemptively gagging its mainstream left talking heads, to prevent them from saying what we all know is in their hearts.
Witness your wishcasting about a piece of glass hitting Trump rather than a bullet.
George posted that. Minutes later I just reminded you we still don’t know what happened.
Want wishcasting? How many different people have helpfully reminded us that, even though he’s a registered republican, maybe his heart wasn’t in it.
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Witness your wishcasting about a piece of glass hitting Trump rather than a bullet.
George posted that. Minutes later I just reminded you we still don’t know what happened.
Want wishcasting? How many different people have helpfully reminded us that, even though he’s a registered republican, maybe his heart wasn’t in it.
@jon-nyc said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:
Witness your wishcasting about a piece of glass hitting Trump rather than a bullet.
George posted that. Minutes later I just reminded you we still don’t know what happened.
George posted as a curiosity and you became invested in it, because the rhetorical difference between “shot” and “hit by broken glass from a ricochet” was important to you. Nobody forced you to think of that as important.
Want wishcasting? How many different people have helpfully reminded us that, even though he’s a registered republican, maybe his heart wasn’t in it.
His motivation, the motivation of a kid of some arbitrarily minimal connection to reason and reality, does not form the basis of much of anything. Other than rhetoric. Some people are more heavily invested in rhetoric than others. Jan 6 insurrection much?
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@jon-nyc If Trump is “literally Hitler”, don’t you have a moral obligation to stop him any way possible?
The Brad
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Apparently the parents (2 professional social workers and counselors) called the police hours before. They didn’t know what he was planning but knew something was wrong.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/trump-shooters-parents-called-police-hours-before-assassination-attempt -
@jon-nyc If Trump is “literally Hitler”, don’t you have a moral obligation to stop him any way possible?
@LuFins-Dad said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:
@jon-nyc If Trump is “literally Hitler”, don’t you have a moral obligation to stop him any way possible?
One might believe that and feel that way. There’s no evidence crooks did.
"You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
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@George-K said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:
The ladies on The View are shocked, shocked that Crooks bought 50 rounds of ammunition.
I'm told that's not enough to fill two AR-15 magazines.
They come in 10, 20 and 30 round capacities. Thirty is what most militaries use, so it's the most common. Magpul makes a very popular, affordable mag.
Personally, I like E-lander 30 round mags. They're made in Israel, are milspec and metal.
As for the ammo...
I'm guessing he paid around $30 or so. Because he bought 50 rounds, it's probably a single box of milspec FMJ. You want the FMJ to defeat a vest.
I heard one dumbass on PMSNBC waxing stupidic about the rifle bullet should have blown Trump's ear off. No, not with a soft point, but definitely not with a FMJ. They don't expand much in tissue, and definitely not in an ear.
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@jon-nyc If Trump is “literally Hitler”, don’t you have a moral obligation to stop him any way possible?
@LuFins-Dad said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:
@jon-nyc If Trump is “literally Hitler”, don’t you have a moral obligation to stop him any way possible?
Baked into TDS is some sort of subliminal, unspoken agreement that it is not to be taken seriously. Another way in which TDS is essentially infantile. A tantrum which is to be endured with calm serenity by the adults in the room.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:
@jon-nyc If Trump is “literally Hitler”, don’t you have a moral obligation to stop him any way possible?
One might believe that and feel that way. There’s no evidence crooks did.
@jon-nyc said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:
@LuFins-Dad said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:
@jon-nyc If Trump is “literally Hitler”, don’t you have a moral obligation to stop him any way possible?
One might believe that and feel that way. There’s no evidence crooks did.
You say that like it would actually be meaningful if he did feel that way. But all it would do is require you to spend a few more calories rhetorically dancing around it. It’s not as if it would make anybody take a long look in the mirror and reconsider the sorts of hysterical narratives they’ve been reinforcing since 2015.
We don’t actually have any idea how many people have felt that way but got thwarted by secret service in a quiet way nobody ever heard about. It seems unlikely that that number is zero, but so? Only one person here is clearly heavily invested in the absence or presence of the rhetorical opportunities presented by Thomas Crooks. Those of us who’ve always been skeptical of histrionic TDS rhetoric have never needed a Crooks or a Secret Service face plant to make our case.
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@jon-nyc said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:
Thanks, Lucy. Where do I send my nickel?
I told you, send it to Trump 2024. That’s your penance for participating in the rhetoric that directly motivated Thomas Crooks to attempt to assassinate Donald Trump.
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@jon-nyc said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:
You tell us. Where’d you find that?
Some rando on twitter. Not anyone I follow.
Looks like Crooks, though.
Yesterday, Mrs. George said, "He's just a kid - look he's wearing braces." Probably a picture from high school, or earlier.
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@Mik said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:
I think the truth is that a sad, lonely young man made a very bad decision.
Agreed. Not that anyone cares, but my gut was this was just a dude who decided to see what he could get away with and likely live famously in history books. I lived long enough in DC to know that there are a billion security gaps if you really wanted to try to get away with something... and much easier when it's in the middle of the Pennsylvania countryside.
