Trump - Butler, PA

[Copper]

@kluurs said in Trump - Butler, PA:

having been given order "not to take the shot."

By Ms. Clinton, I assume.

[89th]

@Mik said in Trump - Butler, PA:

Doesn’t make sense that Crooks ever got a shot off.

Agree. But you can see in the video the counter sniper was watching him and even “startled” when Crooks took the first shot. I have no idea, but considering how rare (and political) it would be for a Trump secret service officer to shoot and kill someone, I’m guessing they were waiting until they really saw a weapon or something unequivocally worthy of being killed.

[89th]

@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:

@LuFins-Dad said in Trump - Butler, PA:

So you don’t think the finger of God pushed the bullet away from Trump?

Nah. It was a Matrix Neo move.

If you watch the speech, Trump just barely shifts his head towards the podium when he’s struck. Had he not done that it would’ve gone through the right side of his head.

And the high def photo of the bullet wizzing by would be instead a spray of brain matter.

[LuFins Dad]

According to a report I heard, it has been the standing orders for the Secret Service to not shoot first in a situation like that for some time. There have been too many close calls with people with telescopes and the like, so the standing order is to not shoot unless they have taken hostile action.

I don’t know if that’s true, and it runs contrary to most reasoning, but so does having guys shorter than Trump trying to shield him, or having female agents that can’t figure out how to holster their weapon.

[George K]

[Jolly]

[George K]

I understand that former presidents get a lower, thinner, level of protection than the current POTUS. How does the former president's protection compare to the presumptive nominee's protection? Does the presumptive nominee's protection rise after the convention?

[Jolly]

@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:

I understand that former presidents get a lower, thinner, level of protection than the current POTUS. How does the former president's protection compare to the presumptive nominee's protection? Does the presumptive nominee's protection rise after the convention?

Don't know.

I do know Trump also uses private security to flesh out his Secret Service detail.

[jon-nyc]

That’s gotta lead to some problems. Secret service gonna let a private security guy with a gun near the former president?

[Jolly]

Depends on what they do, I'm sure. I'm also sure they're probably vetted out the whazoo.

[Jolly]

@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:

I understand that former presidents get a lower, thinner, level of protection than the current POTUS. How does the former president's protection compare to the presumptive nominee's protection? Does the presumptive nominee's protection rise after the convention?

Secret Service sez...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/3082252/secret-service-rejects-accusations-security-diverted-trump-jill-biden/

[Jolly]

The Secret Service canceled their press conference the other night.

And you have accusations from various sources about deficiencies of one kind or another.

Plus, Congress said they plan to hold hearings on the Secret Service and their role, responsibility and response in this assassination attempt.

[LuFins Dad]

Come on, I am sure that each and every member of the team is a highly skilled professional.

Link to video

[George K]

@LuFins-Dad said in Trump - Butler, PA:

each and every member of the team is a highly skilled professional

Yep. They all are wearing the right sunglasses...most of the time.

[Axtremus]

@LuFins-Dad , consider the possibility that her holster may have been grabbed or nudged out off its usual place in the midst of chaos.

[Jolly]

@LuFins-Dad said in Trump - Butler, PA:

Come on, I am sure that each and every member of the team is a highly skilled professional.

Link to video

Those are retention holsters. They require a specific draw and reholstering. If adrenaline is screwing up your fine motor skills, it's a difficult task. Plus, her vision is not on the holster.

So, it's a training issue. They say it takes 10,000 reps to permanently imprint muscle memory. I don't think there are any shortcuts for DEI hires.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Axtremus said in Trump - Butler, PA:

@LuFins-Dad , consider the possibility that her holster may have been grabbed or nudged out off its usual place in the midst of chaos.

Yeah that's not how muscle memory works.

[taiwan_girl]

In the video, there is a guy in the forefront (in a ball cap) giving the middle finger to someone. Not sure what that is about.

[Jolly]

@taiwan_girl said in Trump - Butler, PA:

In the video, there is a guy in the forefront (in a ball cap) giving the middle finger to someone. Not sure what that is about.

Oh, I think we all know what that is about.

[George K]

@89th said in Trump - Butler, PA:

If you watch the speech, Trump just barely shifts his head towards the podium when he’s struck. Had he not done that it would’ve gone through the right side of his head.